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Southampton General Hospital admits failing to care for cancer sufferer

By Sian Davies

8:04am Friday 1st February 2013

Hospital admits failing to care for cancer sufferer

Hospital admits failing to care for cancer sufferer

A GRIEVING family wept as they heard a hospital admit that it had failed in its care of a cancer sufferer.

Just 18 days after he was diagnosed with a rare and aggressive form of bladder cancer Nigel James died while being treated at Southampton General Hospital.

An inquest into his death heard how there had been a catalogue of problems that culminated in a failure to diagnose a blood clot from which the 67-year-old from Hythe eventually died.

The main complaint centred around the apparent failure to administer a drug called Heparin prescribed to prevent blood clots.

Poor record-keeping meant it was impossible to know why this hadn’t happened as Mr James was displaying clear symptoms that he was suffering from the condition, the inquest heard.

His distraught family wrote a 47-page letter of complaint which prompted an internal  investigation, the inquest was told.

The subsequent report identified 36 different failings by the hospital during Mr James’ stay.

Findings included:

Giving evidence, author of the report associate medical director for patient safety David Weeden concluded: “The review has highlighted significant lapses in the medical and nursing care and failed to meet the high standards of [the hospital].” 

He said due to a lack of medical notes it was “impossible to know for sure” why the Heparin drug was not given but it did carry a risk of potential side effects including causing bleeding.

The hearing also heard from consultant Charles Lockyer, who had been Mr James’ surgeon.

He said: “We failed this man’s family, and he had a terrible experience during his stay.”

Mr Lockyer said it had always been the longer term aim to stabilise Mr James’ condition so he could withstand chemotherapy.

However, he said it had appeared opportunities to diagnose the blood clot had been “missed” by junior doctors.

Mr Lockyer said the case had been a “big driver” for improvements within his department that had been made since Mr James’ death.

Coroner Keith Wiseman said he would record a verdict next month when he had had time to consider all of the evidence.

WHAT THE HOSPITAL SAID:

SOUTHAMPTON General Hospital said the extensive probe that was carried out in the wake of Mr James’ death had found a series of failings in his care.

Mr Weeden said the inquiry had found a number of areas where lessons had been learned, systems were shownto be inadequate and in some cases errors of judgement had been made.

The report did conclude that even if the diagnosis had been made, it would not have altered Mr James’ prognosis.

However, his family say it prevented him from having a dignified death as he was excluded from knowing what was happening to him.

Wide scale changes have since been made including revamped medical records, better training for staff when communicating with families and improved levels of risk assessing patients for blood clots.

Mr Weeden said: “A lot of work has been put in across the whole trust about reminding  everybody that patients have the right to be included in decisions that are concerned with important elements of their care.”

He added: “We are in a caring profession and we should care."

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Comments(49)

Comments(49)

Cerdicjute says...
8:56am Fri 1 Feb 13

Too busy ticking boxes or counting beans to actually indulge in caring for people and even fulfilling their basic needs like food and water. Is this a hospital or a Victorian prison?

Yet again 'lessons have been learned' when they patently have not. I am increasingly wondering why I pay tax for this shambles.

My condolencies for this family's unnecesssary loss.

Raxx says...
10:37am Fri 1 Feb 13

Cerdicjute wrote:
Too busy ticking boxes or counting beans to actually indulge in caring for people and even fulfilling their basic needs like food and water. Is this a hospital or a Victorian prison?

Yet again 'lessons have been learned' when they patently have not. I am increasingly wondering why I pay tax for this shambles.

My condolencies for this family's unnecesssary loss.
Box ticking & bean counting = The Department of Health, Monitor, CQC, Confed, NAPC, etc etc etc

arthur dalyrimple says...
10:41am Fri 1 Feb 13

lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

-stiv- says...
1:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

Pikey Pete says...
2:24pm Fri 1 Feb 13

I heard on the radio.." The British are awful at asking for care when it comes to cancer. Must be the stiff upper lip".

What a load of cods-wallop. We ask for care...We are just too frightened NOW..What it might be.

Terrible shame should never have happened.

arthur dalyrimple says...
3:51pm Fri 1 Feb 13

-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

cantthinkofone says...
5:34pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.

arthur dalyrimple says...
5:46pm Fri 1 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.
three words liverpool care pathway.

sparkster says...
5:51pm Fri 1 Feb 13

My thoughts and condolences are with the family, this is nothing short of a disgusting shambles, when you are in hospital you expect or i would hope you would get the best treatment possible, if I were the relatives of this poor man i wouldnt leave it there id take it further

cantthinkofone says...
7:40pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.
three words liverpool care pathway.
Exactly.

Dance to the journalists' merry tune arthur, dance. :-)

peter sowerby says...
7:44pm Fri 1 Feb 13

I am very concerned regarding this tragic story. In my view this all points to a liverpool care pathway termination gone wrong, and a cover up taking place when the family stumbled across the truth. All the elements of a pathway killing are there.Withdrawal of medication,food and fluids till the patients death. It is clear the hospital administration have lost control and are acting irresponsibly by continuing with this governments euthanasia program. I hope this grieving family take this matter to the police for investigation and justice for the death of Nigel James.

freefinker says...
9:00pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

Scorpio1155 says...
9:00pm Fri 1 Feb 13

This is yet again a sad story about the poor standard of care to patients, and the usual response of how it the “hospital failed to meet the high standards of care”. The poor care and falling standards happens quite often in this and many other hospitals. They then undertake a comprehensive review to insure this does not happen again. But it will continue until the management take complaints seriously and take action against the staff that is not up to standard. I was a patient in this hospital in 2006 and received extremely poor care at the hands of nurses that were not interested in taking care of the patient. I complained to the hospital and the Health Care Commission at the time. Among the promises made at the time,” a recruitment drive of Nurses to replace the 11 nurses they were short of on the ward.” “Better training for staff of the importance of communications between staff and the patient.” “Better patient care, by staff and to recognise the importance patient note keeping and drug charts and to take better care of recording information, and many others. The wide scale changes have been made now according to the hospital, these are the same changes made when I made my complaint, so don’t hold your breath.

arthur dalyrimple says...
9:25pm Fri 1 Feb 13

freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

cantthinkofone says...
9:27pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Scorpio1155 wrote:
This is yet again a sad story about the poor standard of care to patients, and the usual response of how it the “hospital failed to meet the high standards of care”. The poor care and falling standards happens quite often in this and many other hospitals. They then undertake a comprehensive review to insure this does not happen again. But it will continue until the management take complaints seriously and take action against the staff that is not up to standard. I was a patient in this hospital in 2006 and received extremely poor care at the hands of nurses that were not interested in taking care of the patient. I complained to the hospital and the Health Care Commission at the time. Among the promises made at the time,” a recruitment drive of Nurses to replace the 11 nurses they were short of on the ward.” “Better training for staff of the importance of communications between staff and the patient.” “Better patient care, by staff and to recognise the importance patient note keeping and drug charts and to take better care of recording information, and many others. The wide scale changes have been made now according to the hospital, these are the same changes made when I made my complaint, so don’t hold your breath.
An entirely reasonable post, especially in contrast to some of the sectionable rubbish above.

The truth of the matter is that the NHS treats millions of people (literally) every year. Given that, it's virtually impossible that no one will receive substandard care. Someone, somewhere, will slip up on the job, or forget why they wanted to be in a caring profession, or just be plain rubbish but manage to slip through the net.

That's not to say any of us should shrug and 'accept' it. Quite the opposite. Complaining as you did is definitely the right course of action, as is media coverage like this story. I wish I'd complained properly when one of my relatives was on a compassionless ward in Dorset. The NHS should be constantly striving to eliminate this stuff. But I don't think it's realistic to be *surprised* when it turns out that errors are still made. With a sample size in the millions, and humans being the imperfect things they are, a perfect score isn't really conceivable.

peter sowerby says...
9:34pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

arthur dalyrimple says...
9:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.

Scorpio1155 says...
9:59pm Fri 1 Feb 13

I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.

peter sowerby says...
10:06pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.
True, you always know you've got one on your back when you put a dot in the wrong place. The problem is they stop some people posting their viewpoint on posts like these, or they get bullied off the post.

arthur dalyrimple says...
10:15pm Fri 1 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.
True, you always know you've got one on your back when you put a dot in the wrong place. The problem is they stop some people posting their viewpoint on posts like these, or they get bullied off the post.
yes , they can,t stand that lots of people are disgusted at what goes on in that place , and the cover ups continue ,year in ,year out ,the time for whistleblowers to step foward is long overdue , the bullies job is to keep the pressure on them.

cantthinkofone says...
10:24pm Fri 1 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
Inverse snobbery, love it. Bravo.

cantthinkofone says...
10:35pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.
The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

peter sowerby says...
10:36pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Everything that could go wrong with an hospital administration, policies and procedures happened at the SGH that day. You have one dead patient and a grieving family looking for answers and getting nothing but a withering apology from some administrator. Can somebody of authority please get into that hospital and tell them its filthy, understaffed and it's policies and procedures on patient care are not fit for purpose.

cantthinkofone says...
10:47pm Fri 1 Feb 13

You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

cantthinkofone says...
10:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Just noticed your use of apostrophes in *its* and *it's*... lol

As Roy Walker used to say - "It's good, but it's not right."

arthur dalyrimple says...
10:52pm Fri 1 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
Inverse snobbery, love it. Bravo.
yes ,manchester breeds those sort of back alley pseudo intellectual brats.

Sir Ad E Noid says...
10:54pm Fri 1 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
You ignorant imbecile. Whilst I would not seek to defend the General Hospital in this case, the care, compassion and expertise shown to me during my hour of need was truly magnificent. They saved my life, they truly did.

cantthinkofone says...
10:55pm Fri 1 Feb 13

*whoosh*

That the sound it makes.

Scorpio1155 says...
10:57pm Fri 1 Feb 13

The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.

Scorpio1155 says...
11:07pm Fri 1 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.
The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.
I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.”

cantthinkofone says...
11:10pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Scorpio1155 wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.
The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.
I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.”
I agree that Labour have morphed into tory-lite. Sadly.

freefinker says...
12:17am Sat 2 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
Just noticed your use of apostrophes in *its* and *it's*... lol

As Roy Walker used to say - "It's good, but it's not right."
.. sinful pointing that out, apparently.

‘self styled intellectual bullies’.
‘brainwashed creep’
‘bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard’ – apostrophe, NOT comma.
‘they stop some people posting their viewpoint’.

Gosh, all that and more for pointing out a few punctuation errors.

Pikey-Biker says...
1:03am Sat 2 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
I am very concerned regarding this tragic story. In my view this all points to a liverpool care pathway termination gone wrong, and a cover up taking place when the family stumbled across the truth. All the elements of a pathway killing are there.Withdrawal of medication,food and fluids till the patients death. It is clear the hospital administration have lost control and are acting irresponsibly by continuing with this governments euthanasia program. I hope this grieving family take this matter to the police for investigation and justice for the death of Nigel James.
more liverpool care pathway drivel, you just spout nonsense Peter

Pikey-Biker says...
1:05am Sat 2 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
freefinker wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote: lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.
Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.
they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?
1) no space after last letter and a question mark. 2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe. 3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t. 4) space after comma. 5) no space after last letter and a comma. 6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.
take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.
You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.
at least we don't tell lies Peter

MiddleOfRoad says...
1:49am Sat 2 Feb 13

I understand and accept the constraints of providing any public service. However, despite my empathy for hospital staff, I do not accept a level of service that failed to meet the most basic reason for the organisation's existence. In this case it was to provide competent healthcare which necessarilly included addressing immediate and acute pain management.
In this basic purpose it failed absolutely and entirely. Perhaps mitigation may be that junior or relief staff were in attendance, that the budget did not permit more expensive experienced staff, that specialists hours of public hospital work was limited etc etc. However, if these factors resulted in this man suffering inexcusable pain, his family and friends suffering enormous anxiety and mental health issues and the public suffering yet another lack of confidence then the mitigating circumstances are irrelevant.
It matters nought that correct diagnosis and pain relief would not have altered the man's prognosis. The reality is the entire system failed this man, his family and the public.
The hospital administrators and the relevant Govt and political mandarins who permitted this systemic failure must now pay the price - dismissal or demotion.
Similarly the health system breached its most basic Duty of Care to the patient and his family resulting in inexcusable apin and indignities for the patient and mental anguish for his family. For these most basic failures the health system must also be held accountable and be liable for very substantial monetary compensations to the affected parties.
Dismissals, demotions and compensation are the minimum requirements which must run parrallel with significant structural and attitudinal change within the hospital system.
I hope the man's family have access to a highly competent firm of solicitors.

peter sowerby says...
10:20am Sat 2 Feb 13

In my view this was a liverpool care pathway patient termination cover up. Mr James clearly knew his care,treatment and medication was seriously wrong before he died. His family also knew. The hospital has got away with just an internal investigation and walked away from any justice or responsibility for his death. There should now be a police investigation into the circumstances of Mr James death.I believe there is an uncontrolled criminal caviller attitude towards the care pathway government euthanasia program at the SGH, and it should be halted immediately until the governments review on LCP policies and procedures is published in the summer.

peter sowerby says...
10:35am Sat 2 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!
I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.

Pikey-Biker says...
12:34pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/yoursay/lette
rs/10177935.Is_hospi
tal_still_using_Path
way_scheme_/

Usual made up stories

Jamesey5 says...
1:34pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Mr James did not know about his care, treatment and medication relating to the DVT and PE because it was not discussed with him or the family.Hence he died in the manner in which he did. No choices and no informed decisions. The family took steps to safeguard Mr James by escorting him down to the radiology department by which time it was too late.

cantthinkofone says...
1:41pm Sat 2 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
In my view this was a liverpool care pathway patient termination cover up. Mr James clearly knew his care,treatment and medication was seriously wrong before he died. His family also knew. The hospital has got away with just an internal investigation and walked away from any justice or responsibility for his death. There should now be a police investigation into the circumstances of Mr James death.I believe there is an uncontrolled criminal caviller attitude towards the care pathway government euthanasia program at the SGH, and it should be halted immediately until the governments review on LCP policies and procedures is published in the summer.
Yes, but you're utterly hatstand so your 'view' isn't really very important.

This was clearly an awful case and there were a number of failings by the hospital. Please stop trying to shoehorn it into your paranoid delusional crusade.

Seek help, seriously. Several people have advised you that you're probably quite unwell.

Pikey-Biker says...
4:44pm Sat 2 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!
I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.
So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.

peter sowerby says...
7:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

I tell you what I do know liverpool care pathway is euthanasia, and in the law of this land is murder.

peter sowerby says...
7:25pm Sat 2 Feb 13

****-Biker wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!
I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.
So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.
The answer to that is yes. In those days it was caring not killing and not the other way around. There was no LCP and patients could have confidence they would not be murdered unaware in their sick beds.

peter sowerby says...
7:39pm Sat 2 Feb 13

****-Biker wrote:
Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/yoursay/lette

rs/10177935.Is_hospi

tal_still_using_Path

way_scheme_/

Usual made up stories
You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

Pikey-Biker says...
3:15pm Sun 3 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories
You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.
There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings.
No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check

Pikey-Biker says...
3:47pm Sun 3 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!
I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.
So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.
The answer to that is yes. In those days it was caring not killing and not the other way around. There was no LCP and patients could have confidence they would not be murdered unaware in their sick beds.
I think that’s a bit of an insult to those working at the SGH I personally find the people working there are quite a dedicated and hard working group of people. Your point about Murder and Killing is more of your silly nonsense

cantthinkofone says...
5:42pm Sun 3 Feb 13

peter sowerby wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/yoursay/lette


rs/10177935.Is_hospi


tal_still_using_Path


way_scheme_/

Usual made up stories
You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.
I love how everyone that disagrees with you is automatically part of some NHS conspiracy spin squad...!

Scorpio1155 says...
12:27am Mon 4 Feb 13

****-Biker wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories
You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.
There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings.
No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check
I do not agree that this was murder and Peter is wrong to make these statements. This tragedy was caused by gross negligence by staffs who were supposed to be looking after this man. The staff responsible for this should pay the price, but they will not. Peter is correct when he says that the hospital will get away with it, an internal investigation dose nothing to stop this from happening again. Unfortunately no one is really interested in doing anything about it. ****-Baker, you state that you believe the management will work on the failings that have been flagged up and will work on those failings, but as this happens a lot more then you may think it does, it will just be forgotten within days. The SGH made the same promises to improve these same complaints after I was on the receiving end of very poor care. I also know a number of others that have been on the receiving end.
Peter is also correct about the difference between the time that he worked at the SGH and what has happened to the SGH over the last 8-10 years. That is not to say that all staff is bad because they are not. However there is a large number of lazy and incompetent staff. I have family that work in this hospital and other hospitals, I also know a great many staff that are excellent and give high quality care, but they will also agree that there is a problem. I worked at this hospital for a very long time and have had fist hand experience as both a staff member and patient.
You are right to say that the murder point is silly nonsense and Peter should stop because he knows that this is not the case.

Pikey-Biker says...
8:02am Mon 4 Feb 13

Scorpio1155 wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
peter sowerby wrote:
****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories
You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.
There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings. No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check
I do not agree that this was murder and Peter is wrong to make these statements. This tragedy was caused by gross negligence by staffs who were supposed to be looking after this man. The staff responsible for this should pay the price, but they will not. Peter is correct when he says that the hospital will get away with it, an internal investigation dose nothing to stop this from happening again. Unfortunately no one is really interested in doing anything about it. ****-Baker, you state that you believe the management will work on the failings that have been flagged up and will work on those failings, but as this happens a lot more then you may think it does, it will just be forgotten within days. The SGH made the same promises to improve these same complaints after I was on the receiving end of very poor care. I also know a number of others that have been on the receiving end. Peter is also correct about the difference between the time that he worked at the SGH and what has happened to the SGH over the last 8-10 years. That is not to say that all staff is bad because they are not. However there is a large number of lazy and incompetent staff. I have family that work in this hospital and other hospitals, I also know a great many staff that are excellent and give high quality care, but they will also agree that there is a problem. I worked at this hospital for a very long time and have had fist hand experience as both a staff member and patient. You are right to say that the murder point is silly nonsense and Peter should stop because he knows that this is not the case.
Peter’s made the point that “all” staff in his day were better than those working there now which is not true. I am sure back in his day they had their proportion of “dead wood”

You only have to look here and see that qualified NHS staff including staff from the SGH doesn’t get away with it.
http://www.nmc-uk.or
g/Hearings/Hearings-
and-outcomes/

If you have a problem with your care then if management won’t do anything about it then report it to the CQC and they will look into for you

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