Police motorcyclist fights for life after crash

Police motorcyclist fights for life after crash

Police motorcyclist fights for life after crash

7:16am Tuesday 5th February 2013 in News

A police motorcyclist is today fighting for his life after a crash in Hampshire.

The officer, a man aged in his 40s, was airlifted to Southampton General Hospital following the crash with a car yesterday.

It happened on the A31 between Four Marks and Chawton.

The officerwas on duty riding along the southbound carriageway at around 1.55pm, responding to a separate single vehicle incident, which had occurred earlier on the opposite carriageway where a motorcylist was injured.

The police constable’s marked BMW motorbike was then in collision with a yellow Audi S3 car.

The officer sustained serious injuries, which were initially thought to be life-threatening.

He remains in hospital where his condition is critical but stable.

Some, but not all, of his immediate family members have been informed.

The driver of the Audi, a 40-year-old man from Four Marks, was not injured.

He was arrested at the scene on suspicion of dangerous driving.

He was questioned in custody at Basingstoke Police Station and later bailed until May 5, 2013 pending further enquiries.

Senior investigating officer Inspector Richard Parsons said: "An investigation is continuing tonight (Monday) to establish the full circumstances surrounding this collision.

“A section of the A31 has now re-opened fully after it was closed for more than six hours to allow for a forensic examination of the scene.

"We would like to thank witnesses who have given information and statements to police already.

“Although no other vehicles are thought to have been involved directly, we believe there are more motorists who would have seen the collision or both vehicles in the moments immediately before impact.

“Some of these drivers may have been commuters travelling in and out of Hampshire on Monday.

"The Roads Policing Unit will be displaying witness appeal boards at the scene of the collision this week to encourage any other members of the public with information to come forward.

"We remain in the process of contacting and informing the injured officer's immediate family tonight.

“Although his injuries are no longer believed to be life-threatening, he is in a critical but stable condition at hospital. Hampshire Constabulary is grateful for the swift and considerable assistance of other emergency services at the scene."

Anybody who witnessed the collision or either vehicle immediately beforehand is asked to contact Sergeant Darren Ord of the Roads Policing Unit at Eastleigh Police Station by phoning 101 and quoting Operation Bricklin.

Mini-com users should contact 01962 875000. Information can be given anonymously by phoning the independent Crimestoppers charity on 0800 555 111.

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10:41am Tue 5 Feb 13 999medic says…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.

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11:08am Tue 5 Feb 13 Niel says…

Another Un Doubted Idiot driver distracted by their toy's? I hope the officer recovers quickly and completely. Time the RPU went on a mobile phone use purge, most days I see drivers texting and not paying attention to the road...

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11:55am Tue 5 Feb 13 Tenderhearts wife says…

Niel are you tarring all drivers with that wide brush of yours? I have read and re-read that aricle and I cannot see a mention that the driver may have been on his mobile phone or even playing with any onboard toys? Un-doubted means beyond question,it clearly states pending futher enquiries, which would imply that its not as cut as dried as you the super slueth may think?

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2:12pm Tue 5 Feb 13 Niel says…

My observation of AUDI drivers leads me to believe they would rather play with their toy's than concentrate on the road, even when speeding (Audi/VW/Skoda are the 'new' BMW), your experience of course may vary.

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2:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13 myownopinion says…

Niel wrote…

My observation of AUDI drivers leads me to believe they would rather play with their toy's than concentrate on the road, even when speeding (Audi/VW/Skoda are the 'new' BMW), your experience of course may vary.

Yes my experience does vary, I live in the real world. There are just as many idiotic drivers in Fords/Renault/Peugoe t etc as there are in Audi/VW/Skoda vehicles. There is no mention in the article about the driver being distracted by "toys" so I really fail to see how you can draw that conclusion.

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3:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13 S!monOn says…

myownopinion wrote…

Niel wrote…

My observation of AUDI drivers leads me to believe they would rather play with their toy's than concentrate on the road, even when speeding (Audi/VW/Skoda are the 'new' BMW), your experience of course may vary.
Yes my experience does vary, I live in the real world. There are just as many idiotic drivers in Fords/Renault/Peugoe t etc as there are in Audi/VW/Skoda vehicles. There is no mention in the article about the driver being distracted by "toys" so I really fail to see how you can draw that conclusion.

Exactly.. an idiot behind the wheel is just that. Doesn't matter what make or type of vehicle.

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3:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13 Tenderhearts wife says…

Niel wrote…

My observation of AUDI drivers leads me to believe they would rather play with their toy's than concentrate on the road, even when speeding (Audi/VW/Skoda are the 'new' BMW), your experience of course may vary.

well all I can say is thank the lord the police are dealing with this and not you as the driver would have already been hanged without a trial in your eyes. The Audi drivers that I know are as responsible as other road users, no better no worse. I think that your opinion is biased, perhaps a set to with an Audi driver in the past has clouded your judgement. there could be many factors involved including the low winter sun obscuring vision.road surface slippery , just too many to guess but hey your the man.

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5:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13 Agedbiker says…

I think a presumption of innocence is needed. The original accident was northbound (downhill) and the police bike accident was southbound (uphill). So with the police bike going up one side of the dual carriageway with the intention of a u-turn somewhere, there is plenty of scope for legitimate distraction and unexpected manuevres. There is a responsibility on all emergency responders to expect the unexpected when using blue ans twos and a tendency for over-reaction when a colleague is hurt. Speculation is bad, blame is ridiculous.

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5:59pm Tue 5 Feb 13 Ginger_cyclist says…

This just proves, there is no point to wearing hi-vis on the roads if a copper with hi-vis helmet and jacket on an extremely hi-vis motorbike is still unseen by a driver, then again as others have stated, it could have easily been the motorbike cops fault or even both the driver and the cops fault, those responding to emergencies are required to respond as fast but as safe as possible and other road users are required to slow down/stop and clear a path when safe.

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8:17pm Tue 5 Feb 13 noodlesnewman says…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.

I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..

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8:31pm Tue 5 Feb 13 The Mad Dog says…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..

English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.

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9:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13 noodlesnewman says…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.

listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx

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10:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13 Ginger_cyclist says…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx

Mate, it's not like they're forced to do it, they do it because they want to and "The Mad Dog" is right, in todays traffic conditions, ESPECIALLY in the cities, motorcycles are the right choice for a rapid response vehicle.

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10:45pm Tue 5 Feb 13 The Mad Dog says…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx

To quote Michael Winner "Calm down dear!" I too am a biker of slightly more years than you I am afraid to admit. (not one-upmanship, just true, but scary when you count the years up isn't it?) Of course cold affects more than concentration, but not your grip unless it is icy as well as cold. The point I was making about concentration is that if it is icy you need your concentration more than ever. It is well known that being cold slows your thinking/reacting time down, which, as a fellow biker, you will have to agree is a bad thing. I am uncertain as to where I would look for figures to back up your "high percentage of the riders crash" statement. Please let me know so I may read them for myself. But to answer your question, yes I do know how many "bike police" get injured/killed per year due to the nature of my employment. Can't imagine a Yaris being a good choice 'fast response' vehicle. Practical and economic yes, but not suited to that particular task. Please compare like with like. I do agree though that your BMW is not the most economic bike, had the 1000GS and then a R1100RS so I do know a little about the economy of bikes, as well as riding them (all the year round, on a daily basis, for commuting to work, only used a bus 6 times in the last two winters and not fallen off, knocked off or killed!!) Decided to remain polite throughout and resist the temptation, not hard, to drop to your level and include a tirade of abuse. :-)

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10:48pm Tue 5 Feb 13 The Mad Dog says…

Ginger_cyclist wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx
Mate, it's not like they're forced to do it, they do it because they want to and "The Mad Dog" is right, in todays traffic conditions, ESPECIALLY in the cities, motorcycles are the right choice for a rapid response vehicle.

Agree, they do 'want to' and thanks for actually getting what I wrote.

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3:00am Wed 6 Feb 13 LeeB1900 says…

Ginger_cyclist wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx
Mate, it's not like they're forced to do it, they do it because they want to and "The Mad Dog" is right, in todays traffic conditions, ESPECIALLY in the cities, motorcycles are the right choice for a rapid response vehicle.

I think you should all shut the f*** up and go back to the main issue in that an officer of ours is seriously injured. However its happened, this officer is fighting for his life while you lot squabble over stupid '''opinions'''! Why not be kind to this officer and their family and just wish them a full speedy recovery. Oh and for the record, Officers using cars and vans are also injured as are many other roads users on bikes, cars, lorries, ect ect. You should be ashamed of yourselves - is that written in clear enough English for you all????? TW*T's!

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9:23am Wed 6 Feb 13 The Mad Dog says…

LeeB1900 wrote…

Ginger_cyclist wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx
Mate, it's not like they're forced to do it, they do it because they want to and "The Mad Dog" is right, in todays traffic conditions, ESPECIALLY in the cities, motorcycles are the right choice for a rapid response vehicle.
I think you should all shut the f*** up and go back to the main issue in that an officer of ours is seriously injured. However its happened, this officer is fighting for his life while you lot squabble over stupid '''opinions'''! Why not be kind to this officer and their family and just wish them a full speedy recovery. Oh and for the record, Officers using cars and vans are also injured as are many other roads users on bikes, cars, lorries, ect ect. You should be ashamed of yourselves - is that written in clear enough English for you all????? TW*T's!

errr, I think, if you re-read my first post & 'gingers' first post you will see that, indirectly we are fully supportive of your colleague and in fact all emergency services. What angered me was 'noodles' inane reply which led away from the matter in hand. Forgive me for not actually spelling it out here that I do indeed wish his family well and him a speedy recovery. I did on FB with some of your other colleagues) I hope you do read this, after a good nights sleep following your late shift, and reflect on what you wrote. No offence was intended by myself, in fact quite the opposite.

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10:27am Wed 6 Feb 13 Tenderhearts wife says…

please! you are not telling me that leeb1900 is a member of hampshire Constabulary? that tirade in his post was definately not becoming to someone who is a member of the police force too much anger and aggression!

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11:52am Wed 6 Feb 13 noodlesnewman says…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

The Mad Dog wrote…

noodlesnewman wrote…

999medic wrote…

We salute you officer, may your recovery be a speedy one, best wishes from a colleague with another emergency service.
I think his employers the uk corporation should be ashamed of themselves ! Sending motorcycles out in the winter month s they are lethal in the summer let alone in the winter ! I think its corporation policie enforcing on the cheap ! shamefull , all policie enforcers should have the protection of a motor car its 2013 for heavens sake not the 1960 s when the roads were empty and very slow ..
English not your first language then 'noodles'? Motorcycles make far more sense than ever before given the price of fuel today. They are easily the best form of transport for 'first responders' as they do not get held up in the queues of traffic that form approaching the site of most road accidents, and saving time can saves lives. Yes the rider is vulnerable and and being cold can be a factor affecting concentration but these people are professionals who, whether that are on a bike, in a car, ambulance or fire appliance, always seem ready and able to put themselves at risk to save others. I for one am grateful to them all, whatever service they represent and have the utmost respect for them all.
listen mate i dont proclaim to be einstien and i m a biker 35 years plus, and the cold affects more than concentration you birk what about grip ! as for bikes being cheaper my wifes yaris is more eco than my bmw 1200 gs ! Have you the grammar teacher any idea of how many bike police get badly injured and killed per year why dont you ask a dead officers wife what she thinks i happen to know one so the rest go s without saying . whats the point of sending these fast responding bikes out when such a high percentage of the riders crash or get knocked , today s incident is another classic case now theres another officer unable to work and another hospital taken up .annnd fxxx my grammar you cxxx . xxx
To quote Michael Winner "Calm down dear!" I too am a biker of slightly more years than you I am afraid to admit. (not one-upmanship, just true, but scary when you count the years up isn't it?) Of course cold affects more than concentration, but not your grip unless it is icy as well as cold. The point I was making about concentration is that if it is icy you need your concentration more than ever. It is well known that being cold slows your thinking/reacting time down, which, as a fellow biker, you will have to agree is a bad thing. I am uncertain as to where I would look for figures to back up your "high percentage of the riders crash" statement. Please let me know so I may read them for myself. But to answer your question, yes I do know how many "bike police" get injured/killed per year due to the nature of my employment. Can't imagine a Yaris being a good choice 'fast response' vehicle. Practical and economic yes, but not suited to that particular task. Please compare like with like. I do agree though that your BMW is not the most economic bike, had the 1000GS and then a R1100RS so I do know a little about the economy of bikes, as well as riding them (all the year round, on a daily basis, for commuting to work, only used a bus 6 times in the last two winters and not fallen off, knocked off or killed!!) Decided to remain polite throughout and resist the temptation, not hard, to drop to your level and include a tirade of abuse. :-)

warm or hot tires stick to the warm or hot road surface massively more than freezing cold road surfaces and tires alike , thats why you see the road racers tires in heated cases at race meetings , you dont know this yet claim to be a biker ! hey mate little knowledge is dangerous if you didnt know this after all those years biking you must be a total numty i rest my case xxx ps all winter round theres sticky film of anti freeze on road surface which makes it lethal for two wheels even when dry i dont know why i m explaining this YOU should know this now get bloody educated before you end up like the poor unfortuanate corperation policy enforcer ..

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3:50pm Wed 6 Feb 13 Niel says…

myownopinion wrote…

Niel wrote…

My observation of AUDI drivers leads me to believe they would rather play with their toy's than concentrate on the road, even when speeding (Audi/VW/Skoda are the 'new' BMW), your experience of course may vary.
Yes my experience does vary, I live in the real world. There are just as many idiotic drivers in Fords/Renault/Peugoe t etc as there are in Audi/VW/Skoda vehicles. There is no mention in the article about the driver being distracted by "toys" so I really fail to see how you can draw that conclusion.

How? Lot's of mile's on two and four wheel's, looking down into car's seeing them playing with their toy's and watching the behaviour of drivers in general. VAG have replaced Ford/Vauxhaul in a lot of fleet's, perhaps that's why the average driving standard of VAG car's has fallen so far? During last nights journey home I had two vehicle's cut me up, and one fail to stop and give way, 2 of the 3 were AUDI's... But yes your right, any make in the hands of an idiot can be dangerous, mostly it's the smaller 'roller-skates' that present the most issue's, driven like go-carts with sudden, usually unannounced, lane changes!

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