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Gay marriage vote: how YOUR MP voted

4:30am Wednesday 6th February 2013

Gay marriage vote: how YOUR MP voted

MOST Hampshire Conservative MPs defied David Cameron last night by voting against controversial plans to legalise gay marriage.

But they were unable to prevent the measure clearing a crucial Commons hurdle - with a majority of 225 - thanks to the overwhelming backing of Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill - allowing same-sex weddings, including ceremonies in some churches that agree - is now poised to become law.

The prime minister, while allowing a free vote, had argued marriage made society stronger “whether you're a man and a woman, a woman and a woman or a man and another man”.

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But Caroline Nokes (Romsey and Southampton North), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), Steve Brine (Winchester), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight) and Caroline Dinenage (Gosport) all voted 'no' last night.

Ms Nokes protested that - despite government promises of a “quadruple lock” of legal protections - churches could face a court challenge if they refused to allow gay couples to marry there.

She said “the vast majority of my constituents” opposed gay marriage, adding: “I am not convinced the safeguards sought by the Church of England have been guaranteed.”

Mr Turner said marriage should “remain between a man and a woman”, adding: “There is absolutely no mandate to introduce this legislation and I believe Parliament should be concentrating on more pressing issues.”

Tory Mark Hoban (Fareham) did not vote while Desmond Swayne (Conservative, New Forest West) did not register a vote because he was a counter for the yes side.

Mr Swayne had backed the Bill on his website, arguing “a few gay weddings” would make absolutely no difference to the vast majority of people, He wrote: “They will be occasions of joy and celebration for those involved, but overwhelmingly nobody else will notice.”

And he criticised some letters from opponents, saying: “Given that so many of these letters and emails come from churchgoing Christians, a number of them lack a very important virtue -charity.”

John Denham (Southampton Itchen) and Alan Whitehead (Southampton Test) were among the vast majority of Labour MPs who voted for the Bill.

Mr Denham said: “I'm in favour. I believe that gay couples should be able to celebrate their long term love and commitment to each other as straight couples can do.”

The debate was led by Maria Miller, the Conservative Basingstoke MP and Culture Secretary, who said: “The depth of feeling, love and commitment is no different between same-sex couples than opposite-sex couples.”

There was astonishment that Mr Cameron - despite personally pushing forward the gay marriage Bill - was nowhere to be seen when it was debated yesterday.

Some modernising Tories believed the prime minister had ducked a chance to put the case and swing some wavering MPs into voting 'yes'.

HOW YOUR MP VOTED:

Comments(62)

Comments(62)

J.P.M says...
7:38pm Tue 5 Feb 13

That will set a few tory hearts a-fluttering

rightway says...
8:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Not long before they vote to make it compulsory.

SaintM says...
9:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

they would never vote against their own interest would they, its sick

Focus3 says...
9:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Remarkable indeed. He really lives up to his name. Disgraceful. What a sad little life he must lead. Troll.

Lone Ranger. says...
9:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Old Slippery Dave and his crew will not staop at anything to try and gain a few extra votes . . ....... Delighted that it will all be in vain.
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You just cant fool all of the people all of the time

huckit P says...
9:55pm Tue 5 Feb 13

This will lose the Con-Lib more votes than it will win.

cantthinkofone says...
9:59pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Labour may be corrupt warmongering profiteering scumbags, but at least they're not corrupt warmongering profiteering bigoted scuumbags I guess.

Torchie1 says...
10:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Old Slippery Dave and his crew will not staop at anything to try and gain a few extra votes . . ....... Delighted that it will all be in vain.
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You just cant fool all of the people all of the time
What do you understand by "thanks to the overwhelming backing of Labour and the Liberal Democrats" ?

Shoong says...
11:05pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Politics and religion should never mix.

Who gives a fig anyway, whatever makes you happy, I wouldn't begrudge anyone that.

philburton says...
12:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
Labour may be corrupt warmongering profiteering scumbags, but at least they're not corrupt warmongering profiteering bigoted scuumbags I guess.
so true.

Terry Fulford says...
4:32am Wed 6 Feb 13

I'm very unhappy with this decision I want to be pleased for these people and I got no objection to their behavior but I do believe MARRIAGE is between a Man & Woman.
If they want this union then call it something else., NOT MARRIAGE.

8089 says...
4:55am Wed 6 Feb 13

Anyone thought to ask gay couples what they think?

The Watcher says...
8:00am Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoong wrote:
Politics and religion should never mix.

Who gives a fig anyway, whatever makes you happy, I wouldn't begrudge anyone that.
Marriage is not solely a religious institution. It predates Christianity and is a social institution.

The Watcher says...
8:07am Wed 6 Feb 13

Embarrassed that the name of this great City (namely Southampton North under Noakes) has been associated with the no vote.
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This issue has in one fell swoop exposed the myth that Cameron has modernised the Conservative Party.
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His weak leadership has been exposed again and I despair at the lost opportunity to reinvigorate my Party and secure a majority at thenext election.
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The dinosaurs of the right wing of the party have tainted the Conservative name.
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On a positive,at least the vote was passed and true equality for all has been achieved on this issue.

hythe knights says...
8:13am Wed 6 Feb 13

So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.

Victoria8 says...
8:39am Wed 6 Feb 13

Well I am very happy with this news. I'm not surprised by lots of the small minded bigoted comments, but as this change will effect my future, I'd like to get married to the love of my life-who will be a woman, because love is love. End of.

Victoria8 says...
8:42am Wed 6 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
This is a ridiculous thing to say. It is NOT a lifestyle, being gay is not a choice as is being straight is not a choice, you don't wake up one day and think "I think I'll be gay". It is not being promoted, all that is happening is gay people are being allowed to have the same rights as everybody else.

Facewagon says...
8:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
If by 'deviants' you mean fellow human beings who have different opinions and tastes to you, then yes they are - thankfully. The days of being able to dictate how people can live their lives because they're not the same as you are coming to a close. I'm sure you would want other people to keep their noses out of your private business - time to extend the favour.

seany1966 says...
8:48am Wed 6 Feb 13

Terry Fulford wrote:
I'm very unhappy with this decision I want to be pleased for these people and I got no objection to their behavior but I do believe MARRIAGE is between a Man & Woman. If they want this union then call it something else., NOT MARRIAGE.
Totally agree with you ...

Victoria8 says...
8:49am Wed 6 Feb 13

Facewagon wrote:
hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
If by 'deviants' you mean fellow human beings who have different opinions and tastes to you, then yes they are - thankfully. The days of being able to dictate how people can live their lives because they're not the same as you are coming to a close. I'm sure you would want other people to keep their noses out of your private business - time to extend the favour.
So true Facewagon.

Lone Ranger. says...
9:07am Wed 6 Feb 13

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Old Slippery Dave and his crew will not staop at anything to try and gain a few extra votes . . ....... Delighted that it will all be in vain.
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You just cant fool all of the people all of the time
What do you understand by "thanks to the overwhelming backing of Labour and the Liberal Democrats" ?
Because i may well support Labour i dont have to agree with every word written or uttered

jonnyx says...
9:17am Wed 6 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
ha-ha-ha. brilliant. i love comment boards - they allow the real nutjobs, bigots and sad & lonely to voice their worthless, stupid thoughts. well done hythe knights you win the prize for p***k of the day by a country-mile.

Raxx says...
9:34am Wed 6 Feb 13

Victoria8 wrote:
hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
This is a ridiculous thing to say. It is NOT a lifestyle, being gay is not a choice as is being straight is not a choice, you don't wake up one day and think "I think I'll be gay". It is not being promoted, all that is happening is gay people are being allowed to have the same rights as everybody else.
I really wouldn't waste your keyboard on hythe knights.

As an EDL supporter he's not too keen on black and brown people either. Not surprising he's anti-gay really. He's probably a bit of a misogynist too, rounding off his bigot bingo card.

seven777. says...
10:06am Wed 6 Feb 13

Civil marriage is a legal concept irrespective of religious affiliation and thats fine for some. for the religious gay people it is reasonble to say my god made me who i am, loves me the same as the next person and welcomes me in to his or her church. if ministers and religious office holders can be gay then surely there is no problem with gay marriage. im neither gay or religious but believe in a persons right to be happy and fulfilled.

good-gosh says...
10:08am Wed 6 Feb 13

The issue is over for better or worse. The main thing is that it now returns to obscurity.

kingnotail says...
10:11am Wed 6 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
Oh just go f**k yourself

Bevois Valley Resident says...
10:21am Wed 6 Feb 13

Raxx wrote:
Victoria8 wrote:
hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
This is a ridiculous thing to say. It is NOT a lifestyle, being gay is not a choice as is being straight is not a choice, you don't wake up one day and think "I think I'll be gay". It is not being promoted, all that is happening is gay people are being allowed to have the same rights as everybody else.
I really wouldn't waste your keyboard on hythe knights.

As an EDL supporter he's not too keen on black and brown people either. Not surprising he's anti-gay really. He's probably a bit of a misogynist too, rounding off his bigot bingo card.
"Bigot bingo card" might be my favourite ever reader comment. Thanks for the words of sense Raxx.

ohec says...
10:21am Wed 6 Feb 13

Another example of M.Ps doing what they want regardless of what their constituents think, what next to ruin the fabric of our society ? we are fast losing all of our moral standards.
They keep on about benefit scroungers and the fact that living on benefits has become a lifestyle, is it any wonder that people have no pride and lost the will to work when all of our moral and behavioural standards have gone out of the window,our M.Ps are elected to run our country and used to hold our respect but how can we respect them when they turn out to be thieves liars and cheats with their only goal in life to better themselves their standards and morals are no better than the benefit scroungers the only difference is they rip us of for a lot more.

sotonboy84 says...
10:25am Wed 6 Feb 13

Victoria8 wrote:
hythe knights wrote: So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
This is a ridiculous thing to say. It is NOT a lifestyle, being gay is not a choice as is being straight is not a choice, you don't wake up one day and think "I think I'll be gay". It is not being promoted, all that is happening is gay people are being allowed to have the same rights as everybody else.
If being gay really was a choice, then don't you think people would 'choose' to be heterosexual for the security and acceptance that comes with that and not all the stigma and exclusion that comes with being gay? Opinions like yours hythe knights is why gay people are still treated as second rate citizens.

I think you'll also find that your comments are homophobic, and are punishable under the law. Interesting too that most homophobic comments made by people are based on an irrational fear of being gay themselves…

Facewagon says...
10:26am Wed 6 Feb 13

ohec wrote:
Another example of M.Ps doing what they want regardless of what their constituents think, what next to ruin the fabric of our society ? we are fast losing all of our moral standards.
They keep on about benefit scroungers and the fact that living on benefits has become a lifestyle, is it any wonder that people have no pride and lost the will to work when all of our moral and behavioural standards have gone out of the window,our M.Ps are elected to run our country and used to hold our respect but how can we respect them when they turn out to be thieves liars and cheats with their only goal in life to better themselves their standards and morals are no better than the benefit scroungers the only difference is they rip us of for a lot more.
What has gay marriage got to do with benefit scroungers? Also, please explain in detail how the marriage of people who love each other - who happen to be of the same gender - 'ruins the fabric of our society'.

sotonboy84 says...
10:33am Wed 6 Feb 13

ohec wrote:
Another example of M.Ps doing what they want regardless of what their constituents think, what next to ruin the fabric of our society ? we are fast losing all of our moral standards. They keep on about benefit scroungers and the fact that living on benefits has become a lifestyle, is it any wonder that people have no pride and lost the will to work when all of our moral and behavioural standards have gone out of the window,our M.Ps are elected to run our country and used to hold our respect but how can we respect them when they turn out to be thieves liars and cheats with their only goal in life to better themselves their standards and morals are no better than the benefit scroungers the only difference is they rip us of for a lot more.
Jesus ohec, calm down. Are you ranting on the wrong news story? Can't help feeling you might be claiming benefits yourself and are using the idea of gay marriage as an excuse to make yourself feel better and a more functioning member of society.

Max_Power says...
10:40am Wed 6 Feb 13

ohec wrote:
Another example of M.Ps doing what they want regardless of what their constituents think, what next to ruin the fabric of our society ? we are fast losing all of our moral standards.
They keep on about benefit scroungers and the fact that living on benefits has become a lifestyle, is it any wonder that people have no pride and lost the will to work when all of our moral and behavioural standards have gone out of the window,our M.Ps are elected to run our country and used to hold our respect but how can we respect them when they turn out to be thieves liars and cheats with their only goal in life to better themselves their standards and morals are no better than the benefit scroungers the only difference is they rip us of for a lot more.
Full stops. Use them.

kingnotail says...
10:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

I see 'shagger' Nokes voted no - so gay marriage bad, but adultery ok? Same old selective 'morality'.

southy says...
10:56am Wed 6 Feb 13

I wonder did these MP's that votes No to this act, are they the same ones that tried to get rid of the Human Rights and have it replace with British Bill of Rights

freefinker says...
11:04am Wed 6 Feb 13

southy wrote:
I wonder did these MP's that votes No to this act, are they the same ones that tried to get rid of the Human Rights and have it replace with British Bill of Rights
.. no need to 'wonder'. It's quite easy to find out if you really want to.

southy says...
11:19am Wed 6 Feb 13

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
I wonder did these MP's that votes No to this act, are they the same ones that tried to get rid of the Human Rights and have it replace with British Bill of Rights
.. no need to 'wonder'. It's quite easy to find out if you really want to.
Yes I know I can find out easy enough, just that I got my hands full on other matters that are coming up that need to be watch

rightway says...
11:32am Wed 6 Feb 13

Man + Man = Extinction
Woman + Woman = Extinction
Man + Woman = Continuation of the Human Race. (For better or worse)

This is not an opinion merely a fact. What people do in their private lives is their own business and no one has the right to judge but please stop going on about homosexuality being natural, if it was we would be extinct after one generation.

duncan1973 says...
11:40am Wed 6 Feb 13

rightway wrote:
Man + Man = Extinction Woman + Woman = Extinction Man + Woman = Continuation of the Human Race. (For better or worse) This is not an opinion merely a fact. What people do in their private lives is their own business and no one has the right to judge but please stop going on about homosexuality being natural, if it was we would be extinct after one generation.
Infertility is also "normal" but if the whole generation were also infertile, we'd also be extinct in one generation. Next poorly thought through argument please.

kingnotail says...
11:46am Wed 6 Feb 13

rightway wrote:
Man + Man = Extinction
Woman + Woman = Extinction
Man + Woman = Continuation of the Human Race. (For better or worse)

This is not an opinion merely a fact. What people do in their private lives is their own business and no one has the right to judge but please stop going on about homosexuality being natural, if it was we would be extinct after one generation.
And how do you explain homosexuality in animals then?

freefinker says...
11:48am Wed 6 Feb 13

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
I wonder did these MP's that votes No to this act, are they the same ones that tried to get rid of the Human Rights and have it replace with British Bill of Rights
.. no need to 'wonder'. It's quite easy to find out if you really want to.
Yes I know I can find out easy enough, just that I got my hands full on other matters that are coming up that need to be watch
.. that wouldn't be the Bedroom Tax you are watching? You'll have a long wait if it is.

Facewagon says...
11:55am Wed 6 Feb 13

kingnotail wrote:
rightway wrote:
Man + Man = Extinction
Woman + Woman = Extinction
Man + Woman = Continuation of the Human Race. (For better or worse)

This is not an opinion merely a fact. What people do in their private lives is their own business and no one has the right to judge but please stop going on about homosexuality being natural, if it was we would be extinct after one generation.
And how do you explain homosexuality in animals then?
Most likely along the lines of fingers in ears, eyes closed, "it doesn't happen and you can't convince me otherwise".

ohec says...
11:58am Wed 6 Feb 13

With regard to my previous comment i was merely trying to point out that standards in this country have slipped to an all time low, 40 years ago homosexuality was illegal in this country and now we are saying they can get married, what does that say about marriage, what it says is that being married is no longer something to be proud of.
If men were supposed to have sex with other men they would be built differently so whichever way you look at it homosexuality is abnormal and the more we accept it as normal the lower our standards become, give it a few years and they will be making **** legal.

sotonboy84 says...
12:06pm Wed 6 Feb 13

ohec wrote:
With regard to my previous comment i was merely trying to point out that standards in this country have slipped to an all time low, 40 years ago homosexuality was illegal in this country and now we are saying they can get married, what does that say about marriage, what it says is that being married is no longer something to be proud of. If men were supposed to have sex with other men they would be built differently so whichever way you look at it homosexuality is abnormal and the more we accept it as normal the lower our standards become, give it a few years and they will be making **** legal.
So presumably then, you only have/had sex, merely for reproduction purposes and never for pleasure? After all, from what you're saying the only point of the human race is for men and women to meet each other, get married and reproduce.

Facewagon says...
12:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

ohec wrote:
With regard to my previous comment i was merely trying to point out that standards in this country have slipped to an all time low, 40 years ago homosexuality was illegal in this country and now we are saying they can get married, what does that say about marriage, what it says is that being married is no longer something to be proud of.
If men were supposed to have sex with other men they would be built differently so whichever way you look at it homosexuality is abnormal and the more we accept it as normal the lower our standards become, give it a few years and they will be making **** legal.
If you think a society that promotes respect for fellow human beings represents lower moral standards than one which encourages people to be victimised by the state and other private individuals based purely on who they fancy then give me lower moral standards any day.

The sexual orientation of other people does not affect you in any way; your insistence on dictating to strangers how they should live their lives based on your own personal preferences adds far more to the sum total of human misery than two people being in love ever could.

Facewagon says...
12:12pm Wed 6 Feb 13

sotonboy84 wrote:
ohec wrote:
With regard to my previous comment i was merely trying to point out that standards in this country have slipped to an all time low, 40 years ago homosexuality was illegal in this country and now we are saying they can get married, what does that say about marriage, what it says is that being married is no longer something to be proud of. If men were supposed to have sex with other men they would be built differently so whichever way you look at it homosexuality is abnormal and the more we accept it as normal the lower our standards become, give it a few years and they will be making **** legal.
So presumably then, you only have/had sex, merely for reproduction purposes and never for pleasure? After all, from what you're saying the only point of the human race is for men and women to meet each other, get married and reproduce.
Not to mention lobbying against masturbation and the use of contraceptives.

sotonboy84 says...
12:30pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Facewagon wrote:
ohec wrote: With regard to my previous comment i was merely trying to point out that standards in this country have slipped to an all time low, 40 years ago homosexuality was illegal in this country and now we are saying they can get married, what does that say about marriage, what it says is that being married is no longer something to be proud of. If men were supposed to have sex with other men they would be built differently so whichever way you look at it homosexuality is abnormal and the more we accept it as normal the lower our standards become, give it a few years and they will be making **** legal.
If you think a society that promotes respect for fellow human beings represents lower moral standards than one which encourages people to be victimised by the state and other private individuals based purely on who they fancy then give me lower moral standards any day. The sexual orientation of other people does not affect you in any way; your insistence on dictating to strangers how they should live their lives based on your own personal preferences adds far more to the sum total of human misery than two people being in love ever could.
Well said.

cliffwalker says...
12:39pm Wed 6 Feb 13

When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out?

I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations).

I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?

sotonboy84 says...
12:43pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cliffwalker wrote:
When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out? I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations). I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?
Don't worry cliffwalker. Just wait your turn then you can marry your sexy brother ;o)

kingnotail says...
1:04pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cliffwalker wrote:
When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out?

I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations).

I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?
Same old crap that has been wheeled out for years - homosexuality has been legal for over 40 years now, and have incidences of incest, ****, polygamy or paedophilia increased in any noticeable way since then? I think you'll find they haven't. Your pathetic argument is embarrassing, and beyond tired.

Inform Al says...
1:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Interestingly the Echo poll on this subject is currently running at 50/50. If Dave thought he would win votes by this legislation he obviously miscalculated. The best thing he can do now for the nation, and his prospects, is to give us the EU referendum in this parliament. The politician's promise of this happening in 2017 will not wash.

soton-mike80 says...
1:34pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Bevois Valley Resident wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Victoria8 wrote:
hythe knights wrote:
So the deviants are winning as being GAY is a lifestyle and should not be promoted through schools or television and especially so called marriage.
This is a ridiculous thing to say. It is NOT a lifestyle, being gay is not a choice as is being straight is not a choice, you don't wake up one day and think "I think I'll be gay". It is not being promoted, all that is happening is gay people are being allowed to have the same rights as everybody else.
I really wouldn't waste your keyboard on hythe knights.

As an EDL supporter he's not too keen on black and brown people either. Not surprising he's anti-gay really. He's probably a bit of a misogynist too, rounding off his bigot bingo card.
"Bigot bingo card" might be my favourite ever reader comment. Thanks for the words of sense Raxx.
Love it!! LOL!! Great Post there Raxx!

Pikey-Biker says...
2:09pm Wed 6 Feb 13

kingnotail wrote:
rightway wrote: Man + Man = Extinction Woman + Woman = Extinction Man + Woman = Continuation of the Human Race. (For better or worse) This is not an opinion merely a fact. What people do in their private lives is their own business and no one has the right to judge but please stop going on about homosexuality being natural, if it was we would be extinct after one generation.
Man from Southampton + Woman from Southampton = hideous inbred monster.
More anti Southampton/Hampshir
e rhetoric, please change the record

Raxx says...
2:15pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Just noticed that Julian "The Fixer" Lewis, the tories' go-to-guy for covering up scandal, voted against.

The irony.

Mr Lewis has never visited Bryn Estyn himself.

Gridironprince says...
6:57pm Wed 6 Feb 13

WTF does Caroline Nokes know about marriage anyway?

I think it should be left up to the church to decide who they marry and don't marry.

As I'm non-religious. I think gay people should have the right to marry in a registry office.

Sir Ad E Noid says...
7:06pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cantthinkofone wrote:
Labour may be corrupt warmongering profiteering scumbags, but at least they're not corrupt warmongering profiteering bigoted scuumbags I guess.
Explain to me why these MPs that object to this bill are bigots? Yours is the defence put up by people that expect objectors to be scared off by being called, incorrectly, a bigot. I await your reply.

hythe knights says...
10:01pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cliffwalker wrote:
When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out?

I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations).

I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?
Spot on with your comments, we are on a slippery slope of destruction thanks to the p.c brigade. The promotion of deviant unnatural minorities is going to devalue and destroy the fabric of society.

Facewagon says...
10:57pm Wed 6 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out?

I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations).

I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?
Spot on with your comments, we are on a slippery slope of destruction thanks to the p.c brigade. The promotion of deviant unnatural minorities is going to devalue and destroy the fabric of society.
This isn't about being PC, it's about having respect for people other than yourself and not being arrogant enough to insist that everyone in the country live according to your own little whims.

When this law is finally passed your life will not be altered in the slightest; your marriage, if you have one, will continue as it always has, the world will keep turning and you'll continue to be able to whimper on about how a group of fellow humans being allowed to live in peace without victimisation or discrimination signals the End of Civilisation.

In fact, the only way gay marriage will affect your life will be your continued whinging about it like a spoilt child whose daddy won't buy them another pony.

Gridironprince says...
12:26am Thu 7 Feb 13

hythe knights wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
When same sex marriage becomes law, will marriage between two siblings be allowed? How about father and daughter or mother and son? Why should those who have a sexual preference for incest be left out?

I imagine there would be quite a number of supporters for three or four party marriages, too (not neccessarily between blood relations).

I know many people are very fond of their pet animals. I guess it's too soon to be considering legalising marriage in this context but in the future, who knows?
Spot on with your comments, we are on a slippery slope of destruction thanks to the p.c brigade. The promotion of deviant unnatural minorities is going to devalue and destroy the fabric of society.
That's nice!!!

cliffwalker says...
8:22am Thu 7 Feb 13

Some responders on this forum have assumed that I was arguing against same sex marriage. One of them seemed to think that using offensive and abusive language in a personal attack would bolster his/her point of view. Another assumed I might be advocating in favour of extension of the law on marriage to cover more forms of sexual orientation.

I simply put the question what does the word marriage mean today. In context of a new definition, how would we define words like consummation and adultery, for example. The point I was trying to make was that the redefinition of marriage requires reconsideration of a number of other practices and definitions that would have been unthinkable in earlier times.

Gridironprince says...
7:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13

cliffwalker wrote:
Some responders on this forum have assumed that I was arguing against same sex marriage. One of them seemed to think that using offensive and abusive language in a personal attack would bolster his/her point of view. Another assumed I might be advocating in favour of extension of the law on marriage to cover more forms of sexual orientation.

I simply put the question what does the word marriage mean today. In context of a new definition, how would we define words like consummation and adultery, for example. The point I was trying to make was that the redefinition of marriage requires reconsideration of a number of other practices and definitions that would have been unthinkable in earlier times.
That's nice!!!

Dan Soton says...
8:13pm Thu 7 Feb 13

What happens in the first Lesbian divorce case.?

How can both of them get three quarters of everything?

Dan Soton says...
6:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13

New Pope new marriage vows?


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JMHO: The New African Pontiff will no doubt ( after a Vatican Council ) upgrade all RC Marriages to Heavenly Marriage or Union to stop any confusion with same gender marriage

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POPE BENEDICT XVI'S SUCCESSOR: AFRICANS AND LATIN AMERICANS AMONG EARLY CONTENDERS

By Alex Spillius2:26PM GMT 11 Feb 2013

Two African cardinals are among the early favourites to succeed Pope Benedict XVI, as the papacy could head out of Europe for the first time in the modern era.

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