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Totton councillors vow to fight plans for Costa Coffee and KFC at Rushington

By Chris Yandell

4:00am Thursday 14th February 2013

'We'll fight cafe and restaurant plan' - that would create 70 jobs

CIVIC leaders are fighting plans for a multi-million pound shopping complex – despite the promise of 70 jobs.

Totton councillors say the scheme, which includes KFC and Costa Coffee outlets, will result in litter, antisocial behaviour and an unacceptable increase in traffic.

The town council’s objection comes just months after it called for plans for a McDonald’s, creating 75 jobs, to be scrapped.

But the company behind the KFC and Costa plans claims the development would actually improve traffic flow in the area.

Gentian Development Group wants to transform the Ridgeway Used Car Centre site beside the Rushington roundabout.

As previously reported in the Daily Echo, the scheme includes the first Costa Coffee drive-thru in the south.

Gentian also wants to build a KFC restaurant and drive-thru, and two food/retail units next door to the fast food outlets.

The proposals were debated at a meeting of Totton and Eling Town Council’s planning committee.

Councillor George Dart said: “It’s a very busy junction and I can’t see any merit in allowing such an intensive redevelopment of the site. What this town needs is relief from traffic issues, not an escalation.”

Councillor Chris Lagdon said the roundabout was the right site for that type of development but criticised the size of the scheme.

The committee agreed to urge New Forest District Council to reject the planning application – due to be debated in March or April.

But Gentian’s associate director, George Mellery-Pratt, said: “A detailed transport assessment carried out in support of the proposals confirms that the local road network has the capacity to accommodate the expected vehicle movements associated with the scheme. In fact, the analysis concludes that the proposals would actually see an improvement in terms of traffic compared to existing uses at the site.”

The council is currently objecting to a scheme to transform the former Red Lion pub site in the town into a McDonald’s, saying it will cause “serious” traffic problems.

Comments(32)

Comments(32)

SotonGreen says...
7:56am Thu 14 Feb 13

This is what happens when ordinary hard working citizens walk away from the democratic process leaving a bunch of out of touch, unrepresentative, geriatrics in charge of the asylum

This is a disgrace, the area needs as many jobs and as much economic activity as possible.

Forest Resident says...
8:22am Thu 14 Feb 13

There used to be an Esso garage on this site many years ago, a relative used to work there. The reason they closed was twofold. Firstly, owing to the traffic backing up on the westbound carriageway towards the roundabout they suffered from a significant drop in passing trade. Secondly, again owing to traffic volumes and congestion there was extreme difficulty in exiting the site and safely reaching lane two to progress west towards Ashurst or lane three to go around the roundabout and back towards Southampton. There is no safe way of mitigating the increased risk of road traffic incidents that this development will undoubtedly bring without further impeding the traffic flow of an already overcrowded junction. Yes there are significant environmental concerns but road safety of the majority is paramount and must not be sacrificed for the deep fried junk food cravings of the few.

OSPREYSAINT says...
8:39am Thu 14 Feb 13

Better if it was a Game/Venison/Salad Supper Room, where the diners are Chauferred in their Rolls, Bentleys. Mercs and Cadillacs, which can be parked elsewhere?

voiceof thepeople says...
8:51am Thu 14 Feb 13

You cannot keep saying NO NO NO to every oportunity of employment - No to the Red Lion, No to Rushington.
It doesn't matter what the jobs are, we just need work.

grumpy and middle aged says...
9:13am Thu 14 Feb 13

They wouldn't be jobs for the residents of Totton. If your white and English is your only spoken language then you need not apply.

elvisimo says...
9:17am Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonGreen wrote:
This is what happens when ordinary hard working citizens walk away from the democratic process leaving a bunch of out of touch, unrepresentative, geriatrics in charge of the asylum This is a disgrace, the area needs as many jobs and as much economic activity as possible.
You are correct. They will knock back the planning. The developers will then go straight to D of Env and get the planning past.

You have to wonder who's interest the councillors are looking after sometimes.

elvisimo says...
9:19am Thu 14 Feb 13

grumpy and middle aged wrote:
They wouldn't be jobs for the residents of Totton. If your white and English is your only spoken language then you need not apply.
Probably right because you will also be lazy, unreliable and have a serious attitude problem. I dont think Whitbread plc or Yum Restuarants have a racist employment policy but it would not surprise me that they want to employ people who want to work.

Forest Resident says...
9:21am Thu 14 Feb 13

Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf
orest.gov.uk/online-
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huckit P says...
9:21am Thu 14 Feb 13

INstead of whingeing about traffic congesiton why not try to solve it? Why not try to have the redevelopment and seek solutions to the assumed traffic issues. I suppose it is just easier to say no to everything than solve the problems that might arise.
Anything that provides so many jobs must be seriously considered by knowledgeable and competent people, and that might exclude some councillors.

elvisimo says...
9:24am Thu 14 Feb 13

Forest Resident wrote:
Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf orest.gov.uk/online- applications/applica tionDetails.do?activ eTab=neighbourCommen ts&keyVal=_NEWFO
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if they satisfy the planners that they have a solution to the highways issue it will get planning. Simple. May not be everyones cup of tea but any development will involve vehicular access. This is a kfc and a costa - not sure what volumes of traffic people are expecting but sound like scaremongering to me.

SotonGreen says...
9:46am Thu 14 Feb 13

Forest Resident wrote:
Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf

orest.gov.uk/online-

applications/applica

tionDetails.do?activ

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_DCA
PR_181862
People who comment on planning applications are the same ones that vote in the elections and unsuprisingly the ones who end up councillors.

They are wholly unrepresentative of the vast bulk (70%+) of largely working age adults who simply dont bother to vote, are not represented and the ones who really need the jobs etc that these developments provide.

Your average voter is retired and cares about peace and quiet and being able to potter around in their car to do a bit of shopping and visit the doctors surgery. That is fine but we shouldnt be allowing that narrow view to schew our planning decisions.

southy says...
10:11am Thu 14 Feb 13

huckit P wrote:
INstead of whingeing about traffic congesiton why not try to solve it? Why not try to have the redevelopment and seek solutions to the assumed traffic issues. I suppose it is just easier to say no to everything than solve the problems that might arise.
Anything that provides so many jobs must be seriously considered by knowledgeable and competent people, and that might exclude some councillors.
The way to solve the Traffic problem, is a new bridge crossing the river and a total rethink on the lay out in the area.

This could be done.

A new bridge crossing the river directly at dock gate 20, to the landing point on top of goatie hill, then connect up to Marchwood by-pass.
Then do away with Totton by-pass, that would no longer be needed, pulll down old road bridge, build a tunnel crossing here to link up with commerical road totton from redbridge, reduce the totton by pass to mono road and build a bridge that loops back onto commercial road, re-aline the Romsey to Redbridge track so it will inclued Totton.

There are a nyumber of ways to reduce the traffic just takes a little time in thinking about it

George4th says...
10:17am Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonGreen wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf


orest.gov.uk/online-


applications/applica


tionDetails.do?activ


eTab=neighbourCommen


ts&keyVal=_NEWFO

_DCA
PR_181862
People who comment on planning applications are the same ones that vote in the elections and unsuprisingly the ones who end up councillors.

They are wholly unrepresentative of the vast bulk (70%+) of largely working age adults who simply dont bother to vote, are not represented and the ones who really need the jobs etc that these developments provide.

Your average voter is retired and cares about peace and quiet and being able to potter around in their car to do a bit of shopping and visit the doctors surgery. That is fine but we shouldnt be allowing that narrow view to schew our planning decisions.
That sums it up nicely!
>
We need jobs!

Torchie1 says...
10:27am Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonGreen wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf


orest.gov.uk/online-


applications/applica


tionDetails.do?activ


eTab=neighbourCommen


ts&keyVal=_NEWFO

_DCA
PR_181862
People who comment on planning applications are the same ones that vote in the elections and unsuprisingly the ones who end up councillors.

They are wholly unrepresentative of the vast bulk (70%+) of largely working age adults who simply dont bother to vote, are not represented and the ones who really need the jobs etc that these developments provide.

Your average voter is retired and cares about peace and quiet and being able to potter around in their car to do a bit of shopping and visit the doctors surgery. That is fine but we shouldnt be allowing that narrow view to schew our planning decisions.
After reading this post to see if it was a joke I don't think you realise that you've identified the '70%' as being too idle, stupid or disinterested to exercise their democratic right to influence the process. Somehow the '30%' who can be bothered but don't follow your party line, are in the wrong. I can only conclude that you are a Tusc supporter, long on excuses and short on actions.

good-gosh says...
11:27am Thu 14 Feb 13

As a local, I fully support this proposal. It will let me off having to put up with the wife cooking every evening and it will be handy to have shops close by. The difficult exiting the site is no different from joining a road anywhere else – you wait for a gap - but to help matters, there is a frequent break in traffic at this exit from the pedestrian controlled crossing a few metres back from the exit.

Subject48 says...
11:28am Thu 14 Feb 13

Well no, torchie1. I think the man has a point to a certain degree. The voting apathy is responsible for the state the country is in bar external economic circumstances.

And sadly a large portion of the populace are too lazy to bother or vote. Its a very sad fact.

Torchie1 says...
11:37am Thu 14 Feb 13

Subject48 wrote:
Well no, torchie1. I think the man has a point to a certain degree. The voting apathy is responsible for the state the country is in bar external economic circumstances.

And sadly a large portion of the populace are too lazy to bother or vote. Its a very sad fact.
If you don't take part in the established electoral system, you have no right to complain. I have lived in Prague for a while now where the prospect of voting didn't exist until the fall of communism. No vote, no hope and no way of changing an oppressive regime that was backed up by Russia. Various Acts have been passed over the last 175 years in the UK to give people the democratic right to remove a council or government that they don't want but the majority would rather devote the time to moaning about things rather than going out to the Polling Station.

southy says...
12:35pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Torchie1 wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
Well no, torchie1. I think the man has a point to a certain degree. The voting apathy is responsible for the state the country is in bar external economic circumstances.

And sadly a large portion of the populace are too lazy to bother or vote. Its a very sad fact.
If you don't take part in the established electoral system, you have no right to complain. I have lived in Prague for a while now where the prospect of voting didn't exist until the fall of communism. No vote, no hope and no way of changing an oppressive regime that was backed up by Russia. Various Acts have been passed over the last 175 years in the UK to give people the democratic right to remove a council or government that they don't want but the majority would rather devote the time to moaning about things rather than going out to the Polling Station.
And that was all down to socialist thinking people, is why we got the vote

OSPREYSAINT says...
1:26pm Thu 14 Feb 13

grumpy and middle aged wrote:
They wouldn't be jobs for the residents of Totton. If your white and English is your only spoken language then you need not apply.
If you are white and English you probably would prefer to live off the state, let the plebs do the work.

Nigellites says...
1:47pm Thu 14 Feb 13

I live at Rushington and am all for job creation for the local community!! But I cannot make my mind up whether it is a good thing or will just clog up the road for everyone. It is not only the people who live locally that will have to deal with congestion but people travelling home to Hythe and the New Forest. So I am cautiously open minded about it.

Tenderhearts wife says...
1:58pm Thu 14 Feb 13

I dont know why anyone in Totton whinges about the job oppotunitys in the local area, have they not been to Asda in Totton? busy on Giro days but not until the afternoon because it takes that long for them to get the mattress unstuck from their backs and their many offspring dressed ready for their one hot meal from Macdonalds! Most of these although English on paper struggle to speak the Queens English and use grunts and whines to comnuicate with each other.
Stop complaining and go do an honest hard days work just like those who do have English as a second language.

acid drop says...
2:08pm Thu 14 Feb 13

southy wrote:
huckit P wrote:
INstead of whingeing about traffic congesiton why not try to solve it? Why not try to have the redevelopment and seek solutions to the assumed traffic issues. I suppose it is just easier to say no to everything than solve the problems that might arise.
Anything that provides so many jobs must be seriously considered by knowledgeable and competent people, and that might exclude some councillors.
The way to solve the Traffic problem, is a new bridge crossing the river and a total rethink on the lay out in the area.

This could be done.

A new bridge crossing the river directly at dock gate 20, to the landing point on top of goatie hill, then connect up to Marchwood by-pass.
Then do away with Totton by-pass, that would no longer be needed, pulll down old road bridge, build a tunnel crossing here to link up with commerical road totton from redbridge, reduce the totton by pass to mono road and build a bridge that loops back onto commercial road, re-aline the Romsey to Redbridge track so it will inclued Totton.

There are a nyumber of ways to reduce the traffic just takes a little time in thinking about it
in the grand scheme of things this sounds like a feasible solution, the only problem is the cost and the time it would take

Buzzard2 says...
4:29pm Thu 14 Feb 13

I love the idea that the area needs any jobs at any cost. Can you really see an unemployed factory or warehouse worker taking a non-job at a KFC or MacDonalds? Any jobs produced by these developments will go to students working part-time generally.

Why do the local people not get involved in local politics? Because they previously saw their opinions ignored and rubbish developments passed with no consideration for the future, the community and quality of life. I would be surprised if many people in Totton would be in favour of a MacDonalds or KFC. If people in Southampton want another one (like the ones already in Millbrook, 5 minutes away, or Ower, not much further) then by all means have more - in Southampton. These sites can be put to much better use.

Good for the councillors for recommending rejection - many of them won our votes on the 'no more development for Totton' ticket anyway.

SotonGreen says...
5:13pm Thu 14 Feb 13

That is fine you are entitled to your NIMBY attitude meanwhile lots of our fellow citizens languish on benefits and you rant at your daily mail about benefit scroungers.

Yes you voted for the councillors and "no more development for Totton" that is exactly my point. It is what is slowly turning it into a retirement home.

Dave of Dibden says...
5:20pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Looks like the entrance in off the A326 Fawley road and the exit on to the Totton bypass west bound with no slip road, could cause problems at evening rush hour

Buzzard2 says...
5:31pm Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonGreen wrote:
That is fine you are entitled to your NIMBY attitude meanwhile lots of our fellow citizens languish on benefits and you rant at your daily mail about benefit scroungers.

Yes you voted for the councillors and "no more development for Totton" that is exactly my point. It is what is slowly turning it into a retirement home.
Thank you. Yes, I am proud to be a NIMBY in this case. And I am not sure of your logic in leaping to the conclusion of turning Totton into a 'retirement home.'

If you mean making it a good place to live through thoughtful policies, then, yes, that is exactly what I want.

Totton councillors were voted in for what is best for Totton. It is what we know as 'democracy.'

SotonGreen says...
6:12pm Thu 14 Feb 13

There is little real democracy left in the UK.

Just look at police commissioners elected by what 3% of eligible voters ? or tuition fees brought in by lib dems despite solemn promises to the contary indeed gay marriage controversial and entirely without mandate ...

No little democratic control over government leaving aside how little control government actually has compared with power of multi-national corporates.

Lone Ranger. says...
7:50pm Thu 14 Feb 13

George4th wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Given the overwhelming number of negative comments on the planning application from local residents I would suggest the councillors are acting in the interests of those that they are elected to represent. A handful of full time jobs at minimum wage is simply not worth the traffic chaos and environmental impact this development would bring. http://planweb3.newf



orest.gov.uk/online-



applications/applica



tionDetails.do?activ



eTab=neighbourCommen



ts&keyVal=_NEWFO


_DCA
PR_181862
People who comment on planning applications are the same ones that vote in the elections and unsuprisingly the ones who end up councillors.

They are wholly unrepresentative of the vast bulk (70%+) of largely working age adults who simply dont bother to vote, are not represented and the ones who really need the jobs etc that these developments provide.

Your average voter is retired and cares about peace and quiet and being able to potter around in their car to do a bit of shopping and visit the doctors surgery. That is fine but we shouldnt be allowing that narrow view to schew our planning decisions.
That sums it up nicely!
>
We need jobs!
Wow youve changed you tune ....... I thought that you only wanted jobs where you need a Ba to apply ...... what a difference a day makes

benjen says...
8:05pm Thu 14 Feb 13

You can`t call working at kfc or costa proper jobs nobody can live on short hours and poor pay.

forest hump says...
8:49pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Forest Resident wrote:
There used to be an Esso garage on this site many years ago, a relative used to work there. The reason they closed was twofold. Firstly, owing to the traffic backing up on the westbound carriageway towards the roundabout they suffered from a significant drop in passing trade. Secondly, again owing to traffic volumes and congestion there was extreme difficulty in exiting the site and safely reaching lane two to progress west towards Ashurst or lane three to go around the roundabout and back towards Southampton. There is no safe way of mitigating the increased risk of road traffic incidents that this development will undoubtedly bring without further impeding the traffic flow of an already overcrowded junction. Yes there are significant environmental concerns but road safety of the majority is paramount and must not be sacrificed for the deep fried junk food cravings of the few.
You sir are nothing but a selfish snob. You need to look long and hard in the mirror and see if you can justify denying locals' jobs. Oh! and the reason the old "ESSO" garage shut (not owned by ESSO, just sold their fuel) was because they tried to be clever and have a station without any staff. Backfired and went out of business.

Buzzard2 says...
9:37pm Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonGreen wrote:
There is little real democracy left in the UK.

Just look at police commissioners elected by what 3% of eligible voters ? or tuition fees brought in by lib dems despite solemn promises to the contary indeed gay marriage controversial and entirely without mandate ...

No little democratic control over government leaving aside how little control government actually has compared with power of multi-national corporates.
I can't really argue with you on this one. Indeed it is probably worse than even you suspect.

The discussions on police commissioners and gay marriage are presented by government as issues we SHOULD be interested in, even if these are matters few people really give a monkeys elbow about. The issues that most people DO care about (immigration, Europe, personal debt, the economy, the environment, the health of their local community, their living standard etc.) are largely dismissed as irrelevant.

We are also largely unsuspecting regarding how we are influenced through clever manipulation by large corporations through public relations, lobbying and media influence. If a large company wants a planning application passed they know a sure-fire argument is the creation of jobs - even if those jobs are non-jobs as I have already said.

These companies don't care a jot about Totton. The proposals are drawn up by executives who had to find the town on a map first.

Will life end if KFC, Costa or MacDonalds do not get their new stores? Will it really be a loss to Totton? In other words, does the community really need them?

No.

espanuel says...
4:06pm Fri 15 Feb 13

forest hump, on the closure of the Esso garage you are totally correct. This was brought up at a meeting we had with management and they thought they could run it on auto as there wasn't that much passing trade after certain times. There is more but no point going into it.

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