Bank to axe 260 jobs in city centre

Bank to axe 260 jobs in city centre

Bank to axe 260 jobs in city centre

by Patrick Knox , Senior Reporter Updated on in News

BARCLAYS Bank staff found out their jobs were being axed after one worker spotted their office was up for rent while searching online for a home.

With the cat out of the bag, bosses were forced to reveal their plans to close the Southampton claims processing centre with the loss of 264 jobs.

It comes as a fresh blow to the city’s economy, which is reeling from more than 1,500 job losses in the past year alone.

Last night unions vowed to fight for good payoffs while city business leaders pleaded with the bank to help their former staff find work.

After rumours began circulating, staff at the centre in Ocean Village, which deals with claims from people who believe they were mis-sold Payment Protection Insurance (PPI), were quickly gathered together to hear their worst fears confirmed.

Some of them found out they would be losing their jobs in July while on holiday with their children during half term.

A formal 90-day consultation period on job losses has been launched.

One staff member, who did not want to be named, said: “People are feeling upset and worried but also let down.

“As a whole we are a very powerful team and very passionate about hitting every single target.

“A lot of the older people are worried about their lives now.

“My worry now is that the job market will be flooded with people all with the same background.”

The dole queue in Southampton now stands at 5,530 people, or 3.4 per cent.

The city job centre has four people for every job vacancy.

In over a year there have been more than 800 job losses at British Gas, Skandia and Zurich, 230 from the city council and nearly 500 at the Ford Transit plant in Swaythling.

Southampton Itchen Labour MP John Denham said: “I think this will be devastating news for the people affected and they are bound to think they are paying a high price for the mismanagement of Barclays Bank, partly because of events leading up to the banking crisis and for the way it mis-sold PPI.”

But Barclays Bank, which last year posted pre-tax profits of £7bn, denied the closure was a cost-cutting measure to recoup the huge amount of PPI money it was shelling out – which so far has cost it £2.6bn.

It said it took the decision to move because the lease on the two and a half floors that the centre occupies expires in September this year and that it was not prepared to take on a longer lease because it expects to deal with most of the PPI claims.

A spokesman said: “This proposal affects 264 people, 157 permanent staff and 107 on temporary contracts.

“Barclays will do everything possible to assist the employees put at risk of redundancy today.

“This assistance will include ongoing training, career transition support, including opportunities for redeployment to other parts of Barclays, and a comprehensive package should employees be made redundant as a last resort.”

About 65 staff in Barclay’s corporate banking will remain in Ocean Way office.

Ciaran Naidoo, from the union Unite, said: “The overall position is that we are demanding that Barclays does everything possible to find suitable alternative employment for all the staff at the site and Unite will be doing everything possible to support our members.”

Jimmy Chestnutt, chief executive of Hampshire Chamber of Commerce, said the decision was “sad news”

for the city’s economy.

He said: “Jobs lost are difficult to replace and this is not good for the Southampton economy, but I would expect that Barclays will do all that they can to help those staff find new employment with appropriate re-training and provide all of the support that they can.”

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9:29am Sat 23 Feb 13 Yorkyboy22 says…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!

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10:00am Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!

Well he said, we still have our triple A rating, as it drops to AA1

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10:17am Sat 23 Feb 13 arthur dalyrimple says…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.

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10:30am Sat 23 Feb 13 Inform Al says…

Can someone please tell me which banks I am a shareholder of.

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10:50am Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!

More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!

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10:52am Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.

It's been heading that way since the 60s because the town was run by the Unions. All big business eventually left Southampton, not to be replaced because of the reputation of the workforce and Union control! Having Labour councils controlled by the Unions did not help Southampton either!

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11:08am Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!

That is very funny Off couse there are more people currently employed than ever before, that because we have the biggest population than ever before, but theres still around 2.5 million long term unemployed, and those in employment way to many are in part time employment and still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on. Let me point some thing out to you George, all those countrys you listed are all run on a Capitalist system, and whats happened to them is going to happen us here. Also Milliband and the rest of the Labour Party have openly amitted that they are a Capitalist party.

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11:12am Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

George4th wrote…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.
It's been heading that way since the 60s because the town was run by the Unions. All big business eventually left Southampton, not to be replaced because of the reputation of the workforce and Union control! Having Labour councils controlled by the Unions did not help Southampton either!

They left because of the Technology changes, and there personal greed of wanting more but not willing to share. It had nothing to do with Unions

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11:13am Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

George Osborne Feb 2010, "Our first benchmark is to cut the deficit more quickly to safeguard Britain's credit rating....we will protect Britain's credit rating and international reputation." Why as this not work, because of it made to many unemployed, which caused a deeper slump in the economy.

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11:28am Sat 23 Feb 13 OSPREYSAINT says…

George4th wrote…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.
It's been heading that way since the 60s because the town was run by the Unions. All big business eventually left Southampton, not to be replaced because of the reputation of the workforce and Union control! Having Labour councils controlled by the Unions did not help Southampton either!

Take the blinkers off, change the record and move into the 21st Century. It is time for change, but sadly there is no one out there worthy to implement the changes required. What are the changes that are needed? I have no idea, I am not clever enough to work it out. Perhaps someone can enlighten us on how to get out of the mess? In plain language and without using doctored statistics please.

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11:44am Sat 23 Feb 13 MBHants says…

Southy said >>still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on Their earnings are enough to live on - but not enough to have the quality of life that is now considered basic (disposable cash for entertainment is now an essential part of modern society). Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to increase the standard of living for all society - but that's where the real distribution of wealth has gone. Thankfully we no longer have most working class families as 8 people living in a 2 room house. >>They left because of the Technology changes, And you had better believe that technology is going to change the labour force dynamics 100 fold before half way through this century. I could share some links that would make your TUSC and it's ilk want to resurrect King Ludd for a modern machine smashing spree. >> It had nothing to do with Unions Ha ha you're either blind or a revisionist!

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11:45am Sat 23 Feb 13 ohec says…

Whilst i feel sorry for anybody losing their job surely they must have known that PPI claims were not going to last forever. But these are sad times that are not being made any easier by the lunatics at the helm who don't know their arse from their elbow, the most incompetent government i have ever seen headed by a closet gay and a chancellor i wouldn't trust with a piggy bank, oh and that Clegg fellow that i nearly forgot because he is so insignificant. And to top everything we have now lost our AAA credit rating and with a budget on the horizon it will now cost us more just to survive let alone borrow more to invest in our infrastructure and housing something we should have done two years ago. It doesn't matter who wins the Eastleigh seat if UKIP don't because the rest are all the same liars cheats and thieves, we abhor so called benefit scroungers but our MPs do exactly the same but on a grander scale and we pay them to do it.

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12:12pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said >>still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on Their earnings are enough to live on - but not enough to have the quality of life that is now considered basic (disposable cash for entertainment is now an essential part of modern society). Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to increase the standard of living for all society - but that's where the real distribution of wealth has gone. Thankfully we no longer have most working class families as 8 people living in a 2 room house. >>They left because of the Technology changes, And you had better believe that technology is going to change the labour force dynamics 100 fold before half way through this century. I could share some links that would make your TUSC and it's ilk want to resurrect King Ludd for a modern machine smashing spree. >> It had nothing to do with Unions Ha ha you're either blind or a revisionist!

Part time Earnings are not enough to live on, any one on a part time job as to take on another part time job just to get close to making ends meet, those that only have the 1 part time job as to claim all sorts of benefits just to be able to survive, it comes to some thing when both partners in a marrage have to work just to make ends meet, that should never be. Technology changes are good, but its beening abuse by those at the top, insted of sharing, they prefere to move to another country where they can make even bigger profits, because they will pay very little, its nothing short of paid slave labour. And it is right it did not have any thing to do with the Unions, it was all down to the bosses and there greed for more money and power.

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12:13pm Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

George4th wrote…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.
It's been heading that way since the 60s because the town was run by the Unions. All big business eventually left Southampton, not to be replaced because of the reputation of the workforce and Union control! Having Labour councils controlled by the Unions did not help Southampton either!
Take the blinkers off, change the record and move into the 21st Century. It is time for change, but sadly there is no one out there worthy to implement the changes required. What are the changes that are needed? I have no idea, I am not clever enough to work it out. Perhaps someone can enlighten us on how to get out of the mess? In plain language and without using doctored statistics please.

Running the country is no different from running your household budget or a business. If you overspend on your household budget/business, what do you do? (Assuming you are a sensible individual!). > I remember a friend of mine who went bust in about 1991. To cut a long story short, it took him until the end of the 90s to pay his debts and get straight. In the meantime he couldn't have a credit card, a mortgage or anything like it. > Labour left us with enormous debt (they had piled up £600 Billion and rising BEFORE the financial crisis). On top of that their spending commitments have made us a whole lot worse off! > Even the early predictions said 5 years minimum but more like 10 years. The start of the Eurozone crisis in very late 2009/early 2010 hasn't helped! > We were/are in deep doo dah but the population of this country didn't/doesn't realise the enormity of the problem. It is still bathed in the good times of the late 90s/early 2000s!!

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12:25pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Torchie1 says…

southy wrote…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said >>still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on Their earnings are enough to live on - but not enough to have the quality of life that is now considered basic (disposable cash for entertainment is now an essential part of modern society). Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to increase the standard of living for all society - but that's where the real distribution of wealth has gone. Thankfully we no longer have most working class families as 8 people living in a 2 room house. >>They left because of the Technology changes, And you had better believe that technology is going to change the labour force dynamics 100 fold before half way through this century. I could share some links that would make your TUSC and it's ilk want to resurrect King Ludd for a modern machine smashing spree. >> It had nothing to do with Unions Ha ha you're either blind or a revisionist!
Part time Earnings are not enough to live on, any one on a part time job as to take on another part time job just to get close to making ends meet, those that only have the 1 part time job as to claim all sorts of benefits just to be able to survive, it comes to some thing when both partners in a marrage have to work just to make ends meet, that should never be. Technology changes are good, but its beening abuse by those at the top, insted of sharing, they prefere to move to another country where they can make even bigger profits, because they will pay very little, its nothing short of paid slave labour. And it is right it did not have any thing to do with the Unions, it was all down to the bosses and there greed for more money and power.

If it's down to the greed for money and power you can easily solve the nations problems by starting up lots of companies which only make minimal profits, allow the workers to run them and pay everyone a high wage to ensure an excellent standard of living. I'm not sure where you are going to get the money to start this venture but I expect you'll have an eye on a source of money to steal in the misguided impression that it somehow doesn't belong to its current owner. Having overcome the financial hurdles, the next problem is competing with overseas producers for a share of the market where costs are lower. Perhaps you can rely on the domestic market but the savvy population will be looking for cheaper imported products rather than the overpriced home made items...... reality can be a tricky thing, can't it? When you've failed to address these problems, I have lots more awkward realities to confuse you with so don't be shy with your replies.

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12:29pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

George4th wrote…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.
It's been heading that way since the 60s because the town was run by the Unions. All big business eventually left Southampton, not to be replaced because of the reputation of the workforce and Union control! Having Labour councils controlled by the Unions did not help Southampton either!
Take the blinkers off, change the record and move into the 21st Century. It is time for change, but sadly there is no one out there worthy to implement the changes required. What are the changes that are needed? I have no idea, I am not clever enough to work it out. Perhaps someone can enlighten us on how to get out of the mess? In plain language and without using doctored statistics please.

The way towards to is a Resouce Economy and the only way to get there is though socialism, if Capitalism do go's for it, it will only turn out as another form capitalism that will not work, Capitalism start to show cracks in the system in the First industral revolution (the water wheel) as Technology progress so did those cracks get bigger and wider, same problem back then is the same problem now Capitalism not willing to share the wealth and power they want it all and control it all as well as controlling people, for this is the true nature of capitalism. There are answers to problems. And real socialist are the best ones to deal with it as they do not want to control the weath or the power they want to share it nor do they want to control people.

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12:45pm Sat 23 Feb 13 MBHants says…

Southy said: >>The way towards to is a Resouce Economy Why? How do you know this will be better? >>and the only way to get there is though socialism Is it? Please present evidence to back up this claim. >>And real socialist are the best ones to deal with it Can I have an example of a "real" socialist who has ever been in this position? Otherwise without proof, my claim that a zebra would be best holds equal validity.

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1:06pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

Torchie1 wrote…

southy wrote…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said >>still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on Their earnings are enough to live on - but not enough to have the quality of life that is now considered basic (disposable cash for entertainment is now an essential part of modern society). Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to increase the standard of living for all society - but that's where the real distribution of wealth has gone. Thankfully we no longer have most working class families as 8 people living in a 2 room house. >>They left because of the Technology changes, And you had better believe that technology is going to change the labour force dynamics 100 fold before half way through this century. I could share some links that would make your TUSC and it's ilk want to resurrect King Ludd for a modern machine smashing spree. >> It had nothing to do with Unions Ha ha you're either blind or a revisionist!
Part time Earnings are not enough to live on, any one on a part time job as to take on another part time job just to get close to making ends meet, those that only have the 1 part time job as to claim all sorts of benefits just to be able to survive, it comes to some thing when both partners in a marrage have to work just to make ends meet, that should never be. Technology changes are good, but its beening abuse by those at the top, insted of sharing, they prefere to move to another country where they can make even bigger profits, because they will pay very little, its nothing short of paid slave labour. And it is right it did not have any thing to do with the Unions, it was all down to the bosses and there greed for more money and power.
If it's down to the greed for money and power you can easily solve the nations problems by starting up lots of companies which only make minimal profits, allow the workers to run them and pay everyone a high wage to ensure an excellent standard of living. I'm not sure where you are going to get the money to start this venture but I expect you'll have an eye on a source of money to steal in the misguided impression that it somehow doesn't belong to its current owner. Having overcome the financial hurdles, the next problem is competing with overseas producers for a share of the market where costs are lower. Perhaps you can rely on the domestic market but the savvy population will be looking for cheaper imported products rather than the overpriced home made items...... reality can be a tricky thing, can't it? When you've failed to address these problems, I have lots more awkward realities to confuse you with so don't be shy with your replies.

The owners of all that money is fine them having it, but its went they cheat and use the system loopholes to make bigger profits for them selfs, IE:- off shore tax free banking, if this loop hole was closed (and the only way to do that is to put back the finance restrictions) would bring in to the government funds over £120 billion a year as it stands today. And theres also how the super rich will go at any lengths not to any tax at all on there earning many only paying 2% of the tax they are ment to. Over seas markets would not be a problem if you make goods that will last for more than 5 years again, Looking for cheaper goods only means one thing you end up having to pay 3 times as much, because the capitalist system wants a throw-away society, poorly made goods not design to last to long, so you be ending up having to replace your bought good more often, If you go back to the 80's and before when the nationalise industarys was about making goods they controlled majority of the british exports, why because they a made to last and they was cheaper to buy, even Fords reconise this and said so, they could not compeat with BL, so had to find the market space where BL did not cover, so they would not compleat with BL. We need to move towards a resource Economy before the world runs out of resources, and its only the real Socialist who will do it.

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1:10pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said: >>The way towards to is a Resouce Economy Why? How do you know this will be better? >>and the only way to get there is though socialism Is it? Please present evidence to back up this claim. >>And real socialist are the best ones to deal with it Can I have an example of a "real" socialist who has ever been in this position? Otherwise without proof, my claim that a zebra would be best holds equal validity.

what happens when the world runs out resouces you have a gap between the haves and have not so wide it will end in blood shed, and there will be no real choices only a dictatorship. Capitalist are not the ideal people they do not like sharing but then again its just one part of real capitalist nature not to share. Where real Socialist will share and why they would be better at it.

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1:19pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Linesman says…

southy wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
Well he said, we still have our triple A rating, as it drops to AA1

Loosehead will be on later telling us that it is everybody's fault expect his beloved Tories.

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1:24pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Linesman says…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????

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1:27pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Torchie1 says…

southy wrote…

Torchie1 wrote…

southy wrote…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said >>still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on Their earnings are enough to live on - but not enough to have the quality of life that is now considered basic (disposable cash for entertainment is now an essential part of modern society). Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to increase the standard of living for all society - but that's where the real distribution of wealth has gone. Thankfully we no longer have most working class families as 8 people living in a 2 room house. >>They left because of the Technology changes, And you had better believe that technology is going to change the labour force dynamics 100 fold before half way through this century. I could share some links that would make your TUSC and it's ilk want to resurrect King Ludd for a modern machine smashing spree. >> It had nothing to do with Unions Ha ha you're either blind or a revisionist!
Part time Earnings are not enough to live on, any one on a part time job as to take on another part time job just to get close to making ends meet, those that only have the 1 part time job as to claim all sorts of benefits just to be able to survive, it comes to some thing when both partners in a marrage have to work just to make ends meet, that should never be. Technology changes are good, but its beening abuse by those at the top, insted of sharing, they prefere to move to another country where they can make even bigger profits, because they will pay very little, its nothing short of paid slave labour. And it is right it did not have any thing to do with the Unions, it was all down to the bosses and there greed for more money and power.
If it's down to the greed for money and power you can easily solve the nations problems by starting up lots of companies which only make minimal profits, allow the workers to run them and pay everyone a high wage to ensure an excellent standard of living. I'm not sure where you are going to get the money to start this venture but I expect you'll have an eye on a source of money to steal in the misguided impression that it somehow doesn't belong to its current owner. Having overcome the financial hurdles, the next problem is competing with overseas producers for a share of the market where costs are lower. Perhaps you can rely on the domestic market but the savvy population will be looking for cheaper imported products rather than the overpriced home made items...... reality can be a tricky thing, can't it? When you've failed to address these problems, I have lots more awkward realities to confuse you with so don't be shy with your replies.
The owners of all that money is fine them having it, but its went they cheat and use the system loopholes to make bigger profits for them selfs, IE:- off shore tax free banking, if this loop hole was closed (and the only way to do that is to put back the finance restrictions) would bring in to the government funds over £120 billion a year as it stands today. And theres also how the super rich will go at any lengths not to any tax at all on there earning many only paying 2% of the tax they are ment to. Over seas markets would not be a problem if you make goods that will last for more than 5 years again, Looking for cheaper goods only means one thing you end up having to pay 3 times as much, because the capitalist system wants a throw-away society, poorly made goods not design to last to long, so you be ending up having to replace your bought good more often, If you go back to the 80's and before when the nationalise industarys was about making goods they controlled majority of the british exports, why because they a made to last and they was cheaper to buy, even Fords reconise this and said so, they could not compeat with BL, so had to find the market space where BL did not cover, so they would not compleat with BL. We need to move towards a resource Economy before the world runs out of resources, and its only the real Socialist who will do it.

When you are looking at the interest rates paid by Banks and Building Societies to get the best return, this is the same as a company will do in order to minimise their tax bill. Is that not common sense enough for you because wherever the tax is paid it will benefit that host country who have lowered their tax levels to attract these companies and their standard of living is high because of it. The question you should be asking is why is Corporation Tax so high that it scares companies way to the so called 'tax havens' because lowering it will get the money back to the UK to the benefit of the whole country. Market research shows that people don't want to be using a product of the 1980s in the year 2013 because it looks old fashioned and technology moves in leaps and bounds so your Phillips black and white TV may still be doing a sterling job but your neighbours prefer a foreign made digital model that they will upgrade when it gets out-of-date. The UK motorcycle industry and car industry fell prey to higher tech overseas models made for lower prices if you'd like another example. Your problem is that you yearn for a bygone age whereas the rest of the population has moved with the times and no-one wants to turn the clock back.

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1:31pm Sat 23 Feb 13 MBHants says…

southy wrote…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said: >>The way towards to is a Resouce Economy Why? How do you know this will be better? >>and the only way to get there is though socialism Is it? Please present evidence to back up this claim. >>And real socialist are the best ones to deal with it Can I have an example of a "real" socialist who has ever been in this position? Otherwise without proof, my claim that a zebra would be best holds equal validity.
what happens when the world runs out resouces you have a gap between the haves and have not so wide it will end in blood shed, and there will be no real choices only a dictatorship. Capitalist are not the ideal people they do not like sharing but then again its just one part of real capitalist nature not to share. Where real Socialist will share and why they would be better at it.

So you didn't answer any question and cannot give a single example of a successful socialist system? Maybe because of human nature all methods are bad and capitalism is the best of a bad bunch in that it's flawed but better than the rest? >>what happens when the world runs out resouces OK My bold unsubstantiated prediction of the day - in 50 years the only scare resources will be land and energy. Which is why we should invest in cold fusion research, but apologies, now I'm really getting off topic from the poor people being made redundant.

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1:35pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Inform Al says…

One lot of politicians landed us in a financial mess and now another lot are just making lt worse even faster than the last lot. At least Milibands lot have seen the light to some extent. Even lunatic Hitler realised that getting the nation working would get him out of a worse mess than we are in now, he built autobhans, unfortunately for military reasons, and social housing. Within a few years he had built the biggest war machine the world had ever seen, we can't even afford to put aircraft on our carriers. The answer, finally accepted by Labour, is to build SOCIAL housing on a big scale, that would take many off the dole to pay income tax, reduce the national housing benefit payout to C'morons rich landlord friends and take homeless people off of the streets. Will not happen under this government because that will upset the party's donors. PS this would also lower house prices making it possible even for the average working man to buy his own home, not really seen since Maggie.

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1:38pm Sat 23 Feb 13 loosehead says…

I can't see how any one is blaming any political party for this? In this article it has been stated this building was leased for two years to deal with PPI claims. how long have these people been employees of Barclays & didn't any of you read this? It said it took the decision to move because the lease on the two and a half floors that the centre occupies expires in September this year and that it was not prepared to take on a longer lease because it expects to deal with most of the PPI claims. A spokesman said: “This proposal affects 264 people, 157 permanent staff and 107 on temporary contracts. “Barclays will do everything possible to assist the employees put at risk of redundancy today. so 157 permanent staff? They will do what they can to find them employment so exactly what has this got to do with the Government or in fact the previous Government? this facility is only there to try to sort out illegal trading transactions & paying the people who were wronged once this has been done the jobs/employees are no longer needed so once again who can actually blame any political party for this? Now if you want to look at the City's problems & blame the Government & not the Labour Council or the Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council or the past Labour,Labour/Libera l alliance for the destruction of this city or blame a Tory council that in four years put into place new projects like Mayflower Park then A lot of you left wingers need to go to Specsavers as your blind

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1:56pm Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

loosehead wrote…

I can't see how any one is blaming any political party for this? In this article it has been stated this building was leased for two years to deal with PPI claims. how long have these people been employees of Barclays & didn't any of you read this? It said it took the decision to move because the lease on the two and a half floors that the centre occupies expires in September this year and that it was not prepared to take on a longer lease because it expects to deal with most of the PPI claims. A spokesman said: “This proposal affects 264 people, 157 permanent staff and 107 on temporary contracts. “Barclays will do everything possible to assist the employees put at risk of redundancy today. so 157 permanent staff? They will do what they can to find them employment so exactly what has this got to do with the Government or in fact the previous Government? this facility is only there to try to sort out illegal trading transactions & paying the people who were wronged once this has been done the jobs/employees are no longer needed so once again who can actually blame any political party for this? Now if you want to look at the City's problems & blame the Government & not the Labour Council or the Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council or the past Labour,Labour/Libera l alliance for the destruction of this city or blame a Tory council that in four years put into place new projects like Mayflower Park then A lot of you left wingers need to go to Specsavers as your blind

Come on Loosehead, don't expect Labour supporters to understand rational business decisions! A prerequisite of being a Labour supporter is to have no knowledge of business or any intention of having business knowledge. The last Labour government gave us an abject lesson in how to spend and spend and money and not invest for the future! It's in the genes of all Labour supporters and Union members.......... Our just hope our young and future generations are intelligent enough to realise that it was the last Labour government who messed up their opportunities for decades to come.......

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1:57pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Torchie1 says…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????

You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????

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2:07pm Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

Inform Al wrote…

One lot of politicians landed us in a financial mess and now another lot are just making lt worse even faster than the last lot. At least Milibands lot have seen the light to some extent. Even lunatic Hitler realised that getting the nation working would get him out of a worse mess than we are in now, he built autobhans, unfortunately for military reasons, and social housing. Within a few years he had built the biggest war machine the world had ever seen, we can't even afford to put aircraft on our carriers. The answer, finally accepted by Labour, is to build SOCIAL housing on a big scale, that would take many off the dole to pay income tax, reduce the national housing benefit payout to C'morons rich landlord friends and take homeless people off of the streets. Will not happen under this government because that will upset the party's donors. PS this would also lower house prices making it possible even for the average working man to buy his own home, not really seen since Maggie.

Hitler?!!! What a terrible example! The only way he sustained it was by robbing other countries by going to war! Bit like Phoney Tony and his warmongering buddies who helped to fill up the cemeteries with more dead bodies while building up their Property Wealth Portfolios.......... . > Why don't you simply look at how much money the last Labour government had in their coffers and then tell me how they invested it? Future? Oh, you can add in all the money they borrowed and pledged to borrow too! > They had built up £600 Billion of debt and RISING, BEFORE the global financial crisis. In any other walk of life this would be seen as criminal behaviour and you would go to prison for it!! > If you think that a problem that big is solvable in a few years then I'm pleased you're not running the country!

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2:08pm Sat 23 Feb 13 SaintM says…

send the polish home and jobs for all

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2:15pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Outside of the Box says…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????

Both are so bias it's quite boring reading what they write so I normally skip past the Tory diatribe spouted by both of them.

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2:23pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

MBHants wrote…

southy wrote…

MBHants wrote…

Southy said: >>The way towards to is a Resouce Economy Why? How do you know this will be better? >>and the only way to get there is though socialism Is it? Please present evidence to back up this claim. >>And real socialist are the best ones to deal with it Can I have an example of a "real" socialist who has ever been in this position? Otherwise without proof, my claim that a zebra would be best holds equal validity.
what happens when the world runs out resouces you have a gap between the haves and have not so wide it will end in blood shed, and there will be no real choices only a dictatorship. Capitalist are not the ideal people they do not like sharing but then again its just one part of real capitalist nature not to share. Where real Socialist will share and why they would be better at it.
So you didn't answer any question and cannot give a single example of a successful socialist system? Maybe because of human nature all methods are bad and capitalism is the best of a bad bunch in that it's flawed but better than the rest? >>what happens when the world runs out resouces OK My bold unsubstantiated prediction of the day - in 50 years the only scare resources will be land and energy. Which is why we should invest in cold fusion research, but apologies, now I'm really getting off topic from the poor people being made redundant.

Cold fusion would nice if they can crack it, but the moment its well out off our reach. there are no working examples of a resource economy, the real experts in this say that it would only be achivable under true Socialism, if the Capitalist try it will end up like when they try Socialism, just another form of capitalism, Capitalist can not work Socialism, they put money and power first, and people last whitch is not Socialism, people come first with Socialism. Working examples of Socialism, there are none because the Capitalist will not allow it to happen, Russia started on route as a Socialist Communism, but Lenin died before the work could be compleated, and Stalin just turned it into a Capitalism Communism, killing off any real socialism. Capitalist will not allow real Socialism to work, it would put an end to there way of life and an end to the capitalist system

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2:32pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

Torchie1 wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????

But Thatcher was to blame she started the UK problems off, she asset strip the country, took away state companys and sold them to the few. You blame where it all started, and you only blame those since because they would not change it.. We had the same Economic and Political Policy for the last 30 years, it the same type of Policy that lead us to World War 2, increase massive debts of the 1920's and 1930's, recession leading onto depression, mass unemployment, and gap between the haves and have not as wide as it is today.

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2:32pm Sat 23 Feb 13 TEBOURBA says…

George 4th is right the world wide financial crisis was entirely due to Gordon Brown and his cronies, nothing to do with the greedy banking fraternity. Gordon and his Government were also responsible for Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Ireland's problems,$14 trillion debt of the USA and 322 US banks folding between 2008 and 2010!! My God, Gordon has something to answer for! Or maybe George 4th is spouting his usual claptrap!

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2:33pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Boatman says…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!

Perhaps the economic problems of all those countries you cite plus the USA will "go done (sic) in history as the fault of the Labour government". The banks had nothing to do with it I suppose.

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2:35pm Sat 23 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

Outside of the Box wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
Both are so bias it's quite boring reading what they write so I normally skip past the Tory diatribe spouted by both of them.

If I read Loosehead referring to the terrible Unions at SCC hoodwinking their members once more I might have to sign up for some therapy!

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2:36pm Sat 23 Feb 13 southy says…

Oh Torchie1 in answer to you. Money is just a tool to be used, so why are the Capitalist not using it as a tool, all they are doing is hoarding it in off shore tax free banking, there is more money in tax free banking not doing any thing, than there is in circulation in the UK.

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2:39pm Sat 23 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

I can't see how any one is blaming any political party for this? In this article it has been stated this building was leased for two years to deal with PPI claims. how long have these people been employees of Barclays & didn't any of you read this? It said it took the decision to move because the lease on the two and a half floors that the centre occupies expires in September this year and that it was not prepared to take on a longer lease because it expects to deal with most of the PPI claims. A spokesman said: “This proposal affects 264 people, 157 permanent staff and 107 on temporary contracts. “Barclays will do everything possible to assist the employees put at risk of redundancy today. so 157 permanent staff? They will do what they can to find them employment so exactly what has this got to do with the Government or in fact the previous Government? this facility is only there to try to sort out illegal trading transactions & paying the people who were wronged once this has been done the jobs/employees are no longer needed so once again who can actually blame any political party for this? Now if you want to look at the City's problems & blame the Government & not the Labour Council or the Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council or the past Labour,Labour/Libera l alliance for the destruction of this city or blame a Tory council that in four years put into place new projects like Mayflower Park then A lot of you left wingers need to go to Specsavers as your blind

Loosehead, for the record, again, I work for SCC, took part in the industrial action and DO NOT consider myself to have been mislead, abused, let down, hoodwinked, or anything else by the Unions. There are many many staff who would agree with me so stop posting your completely unknowledgeable nonsense on here. IT IS SO BORING!

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2:40pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Linesman says…

Torchie1 wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????

YES I have, but I am not so blinkered that I cannot see mistakes made by the party that I support. That is the big difference.

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2:46pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Linesman says…

Torchie1 wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????

You are, of course, correct in that Margaret Thatcher has not been in power for more than two decades, and I would be the first to admit that not all that she did was wrong. Many mistakes can be rectified, but once you have sold the country's assets, you cannot get them back again unless you pay a considerably higher price than you received for them. Her parents should have read her the story of the Goose that laid the golden eggs. If they had done so, perhaps she would have had second thoughts.

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3:24pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

If this was not so serious you would laugh your head. . Useless George was staking his reputation on retaing the Countries AAA status .... Now we have lost the AAA thanks to the incompetence of this Tory led coalition ...... and Georges reputation !! well it was someone who made the last chancellor look good. . This Tory led government are completely incompetent ..... with the proof now that their austerity plans are not working .......... . Looking forward to the budget ....... I am sure that there will be a tax "egg on your face" expression. . Priceless George ...... Useless Tory led government

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5:04pm Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

Just one other fact that may have escaped the diehard, "the world owes me a living" Labour supporters. The UK Economy was already in decline BEFORE the global financial cris................ .... P.S. Do you realise that if the Labour Party didn't keep the poor, poor, there would be no Labour Party!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5:21pm Sat 23 Feb 13 George4th says…

Linesman wrote…

Torchie1 wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????
You are, of course, correct in that Margaret Thatcher has not been in power for more than two decades, and I would be the first to admit that not all that she did was wrong. Many mistakes can be rectified, but once you have sold the country's assets, you cannot get them back again unless you pay a considerably higher price than you received for them. Her parents should have read her the story of the Goose that laid the golden eggs. If they had done so, perhaps she would have had second thoughts.

One minor fact you choose to skip over is that the Labour government that preceded Thatcher, left the country BANKRUPT and being controlled by the IMF! > One other minor fact overlooked was that all the State owned Industries and other Heavy Industries were controlled by the Unions. We had such a bad record of Industrial strife that even Harold Wilson tried and failed to curb the Unions!! As a result, the rest of the world modernised and moved forward while we stagnated, strangled by Union rule! > Yes, Maggie Thatcher sold a lot off but where else would she have got the money from?!!!!!!!! > Labour supporters think that money grows on a money tree and when the money runs out, you just go and pick some more off the tree. Inevitably the tree becomes diseased, dies and there is no more money, what do you do then? > All Labour supporters should be made to read "Who Moved My Cheese"!!

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5:22pm Sat 23 Feb 13 RadicalEmu says…

"The city job centre has four people for every job vacancy." . Bloody scroungers, eh?

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5:28pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

What a pity that one fact that the diehard Tory supporters failed to acknowledge, or were in their usual constant state of denial, was the fact that :- . In the 2010 Conservative manifesto (written by Mr Osborne), the Tories promised 'we will safeguard Britain's credit rating with a credible plan to eliminate a large part of the structural deficit over a Parliament' .............. but this Chancellor has failed on both counts. . The deficit is climbing again and Mr Osborne has conceded things won't get much better until well past the next general election. . Fortunately the worst Prime Minister and chancellor will be nowhere near the helm of this Country. . What is it about a Tory party in ruling eother on a National or Local level ..... They can NEVER take responsibility for their total shortcomings and their TOTAL failures. . Fortunately the one locally has been tipped out and nationally that will happen in the next general elaection in two years ............. I can wait

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6:16pm Sat 23 Feb 13 st1halo says…

southy wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
That is very funny Off couse there are more people currently employed than ever before, that because we have the biggest population than ever before, but theres still around 2.5 million long term unemployed, and those in employment way to many are in part time employment and still have to claim benefits off all kinds, because there earning is no where enough to live on. Let me point some thing out to you George, all those countrys you listed are all run on a Capitalist system, and whats happened to them is going to happen us here. Also Milliband and the rest of the Labour Party have openly amitted that they are a Capitalist party.

The problems we have today have not been caused by Capitalism, they have been caused by neo-liberalism which successive goverments since the 80's have signed up to without exception. You cannot have a society without Capitalism of some description as the "levels of comfort for all" that you desire will have to be paid for by the attainment of wealth. It has always been this way and there is no way around it.

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6:16pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Torchie1 says…

southy wrote…

Torchie1 wrote…

Linesman wrote…

Looks as if George4th has beaten him to it. Strange how he can still go on blaming the Labour government after more than TWO YEARS of Tory-led government, but blames the Labour administration for all the city's ills, although they have on been in power for a few months. I wonder. Has he got a political bias????
You are either not reading the resident socialists constant references to her or you are happy to look the other way when people blame Margaret Thatcher for things when she hasn't been in power for TWENTY THREE years. Have you got a political bias????
But Thatcher was to blame she started the UK problems off, she asset strip the country, took away state companys and sold them to the few. You blame where it all started, and you only blame those since because they would not change it.. We had the same Economic and Political Policy for the last 30 years, it the same type of Policy that lead us to World War 2, increase massive debts of the 1920's and 1930's, recession leading onto depression, mass unemployment, and gap between the haves and have not as wide as it is today.

As if on cue............

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6:26pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Torchie1 says…

southy wrote…

Oh Torchie1 in answer to you. Money is just a tool to be used, so why are the Capitalist not using it as a tool, all they are doing is hoarding it in off shore tax free banking, there is more money in tax free banking not doing any thing, than there is in circulation in the UK.

You are happy to classify something belonging to someone else as a 'tool' that you can benefit from. Why don't I just classify the floorspace in your house as 'available' and invite the homeless around to doss on it? The common denominator is that neither of us own the items in question and have no right to force the rightful owner to use it for any purpose they don't want to. If I decide to light my cigars with £50.00 notes instead of feeding the poor, that is my decision, not yours. Perhaps you could use public transport, sell your car and give the money to charity but that's your decision, not mine. You enjoy your 'research', see if Exodus 20 v17 makes any sense to you, or is that 'capitalist false propaganda' as well ?

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7:18pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

Osbourne's strategy was to cut debt and hang on to the AAA rating come hell or high water. . They've doubled the debt and lost the AAA rating. And their austerity strategy has flattened the economy and devalued the currency. . Next will come rising inflation and a rise in interest rates. All of this is bringing carnage to the lives of real people. . And still he wants to take us down the same road of failure .........

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7:50pm Sat 23 Feb 13 Dr.Mic says…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

Osbourne's strategy was to cut debt and hang on to the AAA rating come hell or high water. . They've doubled the debt and lost the AAA rating. And their austerity strategy has flattened the economy and devalued the currency. . Next will come rising inflation and a rise in interest rates. All of this is bringing carnage to the lives of real people. . And still he wants to take us down the same road of failure .........

AND His snooty boss is more concerned with looking after his snooty mates, than doing anything positive for the country.

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8:06pm Sat 23 Feb 13 kingnotail says…

arthur dalyrimple wrote…

this city will be like detroit within five years ,it,s dead.

Already is. And at least Detroit has the music!

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8:15pm Sat 23 Feb 13 kingnotail says…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!

First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.

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8:19pm Sat 23 Feb 13 friendofafriend says…

For the record ppi was brought in last year. The processing centre has been there many years. I will not be missing ppi but I will be missing the Teams I worked with over the years. Overall Excellent teams of workers barclays are loosing :(

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9:04pm Sat 23 Feb 13 loosehead says…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?

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9:32pm Sat 23 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?

OMG, more of the usual rubbish!

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10:05pm Sat 23 Feb 13 TEBOURBA says…

The more I read southy's comments the more I empathise with him. If it weren't for far sighted reformers, socialists and the Trade Union Movement small boys would still be sent up chimneys or work in coal mines at 6 or 7 years of age, men and women would still work in sweatshops in dangerous and unhealthy conditions, the NHS wouldn't exist and the sick and the poor would be sent to the workhouse. In fact, exactly the same conditions that exist in those dark satanic mills of India, China and Indonesia today! Capitalism can only exist as long as the poor and down trodden can be exploited --- once the workers have had enough and seek the same living standards as their "masters" it is finished. As sure as night follows day this will happen in India, China and Indonesia. How anyone can defend Sir Fred Goodwin receiving a knighthood and £15000 a week pension for taking his company to the brink of extinction but for a Government bail, out is beyond me and this is only one example. Long live Southy and his beliefs -- he may be a voice in the wilderness right now but so was Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela to name only a few.

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10:40pm Sat 23 Feb 13 IronLady2010 says…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.

Population is running the same way ;-)

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11:26pm Sat 23 Feb 13 IronLady2010 says…

southy wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
Well he said, we still have our triple A rating, as it drops to AA1

Under TUSC we'd be bankrupt in your own words!

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12:14am Sun 24 Feb 13 George4th says…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.

If you wish to call me a liar then please have the decency to do it if I lie! My statement that there are more people currently employed than ever before at any time in history is an absolute fact and it can even be verified by the misguided Labour supporters on here, though it may stick in their throat to do so!!!! As a rider, I would add that the guy who keeps prattling on about Osbourne and the AAA rating is quoting statements made before the Eurozone crisis hit! They were subsequently revised. It has been known for the past 12 months that the AAA rating was likely to be downgraded at anytime. However, it does not matter one iota because we are trusted to pay our way so we can still borrow at the lowest interest rates! (Please remember that the USA and France were downgraded in 2011!) That said, we wouldn't have to borrow any money if the last Labour government hadn't been so incompetent and spent so much money, and borrowed so much more money in order to spend us out of house and home!!! (If you get my drift!). Who else created the Credit Boom, the Property Boom and the Consumer Boom? It certainly had NOTHING to do with the coalition Parties!

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8:48am Sun 24 Feb 13 loosehead says…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!

Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,

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11:21am Sun 24 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

........ and the guy that prattles on about his beloved Tory party are not responsible for anything ...... Including that the debt is GROWING under Tories .......... Growth is completely non-existant under the Tories ......... Business confidence is at an all time low under the Tories .......... Sterling hits a two year low under the Tories ......... Triple dip recession looming under the Tories. . Anything else the are not responsible for !!!!!!!!. . Both Nationally and Locally they have been proven to be great failures ..... Yes the Tories

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11:25am Sun 24 Feb 13 cathee says…

the 107 temporary staff were taken on to deal with the back log of PPI'S and were aware this was not a permanent position. but what about the permanent staff,some of who have been in that building in the region of twenty years.If their jobs had not been transferred to India they would still be employed.This is nothing to do with politics it is all about jobs going off shore.This one Barclays customer who will be finding a UK based bank

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1:44pm Sun 24 Feb 13 loosehead says…

cathee wrote…

the 107 temporary staff were taken on to deal with the back log of PPI'S and were aware this was not a permanent position. but what about the permanent staff,some of who have been in that building in the region of twenty years.If their jobs had not been transferred to India they would still be employed.This is nothing to do with politics it is all about jobs going off shore.This one Barclays customer who will be finding a UK based bank

Surely this is where the Management & Unions see if those permanent workers can be found work in other parts on Barclays bank isn't it?

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2:29pm Sun 24 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,

I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.

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5:22pm Sun 24 Feb 13 loosehead says…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.

So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again

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5:53pm Sun 24 Feb 13 George4th says…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again

"we'd still have been in trouble, the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess" That is an absolute fact and so true. > The bank bail out cost about £124 Billion in actual cash terms. Of that, the government bought £45 Billion of shares in RBS and £20 Billion of shares in Lloyds (not sure how you break down the rest though I think about £22 Billion went to Northern Rock). When Labour left government we were £1,000 Billion (a TRILLION!) in Debt and RISING! So take off £124 Billion for the Banks (Much of which we will get back!) and that means LABOUR left a debt of £876 Billion and RISING! ***We had NO DEBT when Labour came into power!

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9:25pm Sun 24 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again

Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!

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7:08am Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!

JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?

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8:21am Mon 25 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?

I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.

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10:48am Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.

I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!

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11:37am Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!

More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, propertt and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .

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11:37am Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!

More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .

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11:39am Mon 25 Feb 13 kingnotail says…

TEBOURBA wrote…

The more I read southy's comments the more I empathise with him. If it weren't for far sighted reformers, socialists and the Trade Union Movement small boys would still be sent up chimneys or work in coal mines at 6 or 7 years of age, men and women would still work in sweatshops in dangerous and unhealthy conditions, the NHS wouldn't exist and the sick and the poor would be sent to the workhouse. In fact, exactly the same conditions that exist in those dark satanic mills of India, China and Indonesia today! Capitalism can only exist as long as the poor and down trodden can be exploited --- once the workers have had enough and seek the same living standards as their "masters" it is finished. As sure as night follows day this will happen in India, China and Indonesia. How anyone can defend Sir Fred Goodwin receiving a knighthood and £15000 a week pension for taking his company to the brink of extinction but for a Government bail, out is beyond me and this is only one example. Long live Southy and his beliefs -- he may be a voice in the wilderness right now but so was Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela to name only a few.

But the last two could write English fluently, and I'm sure Jesus (if he existed) was at least fluent in whatever language he spoke.

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11:41am Mon 25 Feb 13 kingnotail says…

George4th wrote…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.
If you wish to call me a liar then please have the decency to do it if I lie! My statement that there are more people currently employed than ever before at any time in history is an absolute fact and it can even be verified by the misguided Labour supporters on here, though it may stick in their throat to do so!!!! As a rider, I would add that the guy who keeps prattling on about Osbourne and the AAA rating is quoting statements made before the Eurozone crisis hit! They were subsequently revised. It has been known for the past 12 months that the AAA rating was likely to be downgraded at anytime. However, it does not matter one iota because we are trusted to pay our way so we can still borrow at the lowest interest rates! (Please remember that the USA and France were downgraded in 2011!) That said, we wouldn't have to borrow any money if the last Labour government hadn't been so incompetent and spent so much money, and borrowed so much more money in order to spend us out of house and home!!! (If you get my drift!). Who else created the Credit Boom, the Property Boom and the Consumer Boom? It certainly had NOTHING to do with the coalition Parties!

And how much has the population increased in the last 10 years?

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12:47pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.
If you wish to call me a liar then please have the decency to do it if I lie! My statement that there are more people currently employed than ever before at any time in history is an absolute fact and it can even be verified by the misguided Labour supporters on here, though it may stick in their throat to do so!!!! As a rider, I would add that the guy who keeps prattling on about Osbourne and the AAA rating is quoting statements made before the Eurozone crisis hit! They were subsequently revised. It has been known for the past 12 months that the AAA rating was likely to be downgraded at anytime. However, it does not matter one iota because we are trusted to pay our way so we can still borrow at the lowest interest rates! (Please remember that the USA and France were downgraded in 2011!) That said, we wouldn't have to borrow any money if the last Labour government hadn't been so incompetent and spent so much money, and borrowed so much more money in order to spend us out of house and home!!! (If you get my drift!). Who else created the Credit Boom, the Property Boom and the Consumer Boom? It certainly had NOTHING to do with the coalition Parties!
And how much has the population increased in the last 10 years?

Why not ask about the last five years? Oh that's right you don't agree even with Brown when he says he mucked up & we had an influx of 3million + Eastern Europeans do you?

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2:09pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

kingnotail wrote…

George4th wrote…

Yorkyboy22 wrote…

How's the economy looking today George? The good news keeps on coming doesn't it!!
More people currently employed than ever before in history! > Hey, but if you don't like it maybe you should move to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, France, Greece or any of the former eastern block countries? Only 25% unemployment in Spain! > However this pans out it will all go done in history as the fault of the Labour government, a fact admitted by Ed Milliband and the rest of the current Labour MPs!
First statement is a blatant lie. Unemployment now is double what it was 10 years ago.
If you wish to call me a liar then please have the decency to do it if I lie! My statement that there are more people currently employed than ever before at any time in history is an absolute fact and it can even be verified by the misguided Labour supporters on here, though it may stick in their throat to do so!!!! As a rider, I would add that the guy who keeps prattling on about Osbourne and the AAA rating is quoting statements made before the Eurozone crisis hit! They were subsequently revised. It has been known for the past 12 months that the AAA rating was likely to be downgraded at anytime. However, it does not matter one iota because we are trusted to pay our way so we can still borrow at the lowest interest rates! (Please remember that the USA and France were downgraded in 2011!) That said, we wouldn't have to borrow any money if the last Labour government hadn't been so incompetent and spent so much money, and borrowed so much more money in order to spend us out of house and home!!! (If you get my drift!). Who else created the Credit Boom, the Property Boom and the Consumer Boom? It certainly had NOTHING to do with the coalition Parties!
And how much has the population increased in the last 10 years?

An apology from you was expected. Why would I answer someone who called me a liar?

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2:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .

Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...

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4:09pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...

I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.

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4:26pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, propertt and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .

Really? BAT, MARTINI & now Fords come to mind plus British Gas yes these companies left or are leaving this city & only one when the Tories were in control

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4:29pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

loosehead wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, propertt and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Really? BAT, MARTINI & now Fords come to mind plus British Gas yes these companies left or are leaving this city & only one when the Tories were in control

Not interested what you think ..... Surprised you didnt chuck in a few "F"'s for good measure ......... . Now do one

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4:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.

So you still can't see how you the workers were manipulated by the Unions well the clue is in your own post. "The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut," there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? So the Unions refusal to enter into meaningful negotiations whilst sending a letter offering to do all they could to oust the Tories didn't back the council into a corner? please tell what would have happened oh! intelligent lady if the Tory council did nothing as they couldn't get any agreement from the unions at the end of the financial year? no cuts less money to pay wages or services please oh!please tell me what would happen to a council that would have to declare the city bankrupt? The unions knew the Tories wouldn't let that happen & manipulated the scenario to force them into taking action which they did. you said on here "we weren't asked if we'd rather have pay cuts or redundancies & I don't want a pay cut" didn't you or words very similar? Before the elections & in late November the Unions were in on budget talks with the council they then held a mass meeting where they asked you to vote for a deal. did they tell you what had been agreed at the budget meetings & how it would effect the council workers? Just remember that when bits of the budget were leaked said unions had another mass meeting to discuss what to do yet they already knew about it before the deal was ratified? Know they're crying foul yet in your own word they knew what was coming? So are you really that intelligent or just a sheep" BAaaaaa

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4:54pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

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Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, propertt and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Really? BAT, MARTINI & now Fords come to mind plus British Gas yes these companies left or are leaving this city & only one when the Tories were in control
Not interested what you think ..... Surprised you didnt chuck in a few "F"'s for good measure ......... . Now do one

Now do one? You attack anyone who dares stand up & post the truth about your beloved Unions & Labour Party but you haven't got the B+lls to post your name why not? No threats can be made against you or the echo would report them to the Police. no address means you'll not be attacked by anyone you've called names to yet you in your cowardly way call people what you want & attack the truth well I'm right you are a COWARD no better than the Union Bullies of the past. You wrote a lie & I showed you how false your post was & this is your reply? as for "F"s it was your good mate Inform Al ( he's got guts & has posted his name) who said why didn't I just tell you to F O so I thought why not this is Lone Rangers level

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5:04pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

loosehead wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, propertt and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Really? BAT, MARTINI & now Fords come to mind plus British Gas yes these companies left or are leaving this city & only one when the Tories were in control
Not interested what you think ..... Surprised you didnt chuck in a few "F"'s for good measure ......... . Now do one
Now do one? You attack anyone who dares stand up & post the truth about your beloved Unions & Labour Party but you haven't got the B+lls to post your name why not? No threats can be made against you or the echo would report them to the Police. no address means you'll not be attacked by anyone you've called names to yet you in your cowardly way call people what you want & attack the truth well I'm right you are a COWARD no better than the Union Bullies of the past. You wrote a lie & I showed you how false your post was & this is your reply? as for "F"s it was your good mate Inform Al ( he's got guts & has posted his name) who said why didn't I just tell you to F O so I thought why not this is Lone Rangers level

No i dont attack everyone .... Just you and you know why . I wont stoop to your level as you are just a proven liar and shister

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5:32pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.

:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.

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6:36pm Mon 25 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
So you still can't see how you the workers were manipulated by the Unions well the clue is in your own post. "The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut," there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? So the Unions refusal to enter into meaningful negotiations whilst sending a letter offering to do all they could to oust the Tories didn't back the council into a corner? please tell what would have happened oh! intelligent lady if the Tory council did nothing as they couldn't get any agreement from the unions at the end of the financial year? no cuts less money to pay wages or services please oh!please tell me what would happen to a council that would have to declare the city bankrupt? The unions knew the Tories wouldn't let that happen & manipulated the scenario to force them into taking action which they did. you said on here "we weren't asked if we'd rather have pay cuts or redundancies & I don't want a pay cut" didn't you or words very similar? Before the elections & in late November the Unions were in on budget talks with the council they then held a mass meeting where they asked you to vote for a deal. did they tell you what had been agreed at the budget meetings & how it would effect the council workers? Just remember that when bits of the budget were leaked said unions had another mass meeting to discuss what to do yet they already knew about it before the deal was ratified? Know they're crying foul yet in your own word they knew what was coming? So are you really that intelligent or just a sheep" BAaaaaa

The dispute started with Royston Smith attacking staff pay. That you can suggest the dispute was the fault of the Unions is ridiculous! YOU are the one who has been hoodwinked! Your opinions are solely based on the highly selective politically biased claptrap printed in this paper! But you can't see that can you. I was in the dispute, observing each sides actions, making my own mind up!

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6:47pm Mon 25 Feb 13 thinklikealocal says…

George4th wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
"we'd still have been in trouble, the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess" That is an absolute fact and so true. > The bank bail out cost about £124 Billion in actual cash terms. Of that, the government bought £45 Billion of shares in RBS and £20 Billion of shares in Lloyds (not sure how you break down the rest though I think about £22 Billion went to Northern Rock). When Labour left government we were £1,000 Billion (a TRILLION!) in Debt and RISING! So take off £124 Billion for the Banks (Much of which we will get back!) and that means LABOUR left a debt of £876 Billion and RISING! ***We had NO DEBT when Labour came into power!

Wrong again, the Labour Government inherited a National Debt when it came to power. They left power with a larger national debt, however, if you look at the average annual percentage rise of that debt over the lifetime of their tenure (not including bank bail outs which was a must do situation), it rose at a lower rate than it has done in the last few years. Suppose you got your opinion from the Echo did you?

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7:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

thinklikealocal wrote…

George4th wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
"we'd still have been in trouble, the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess" That is an absolute fact and so true. > The bank bail out cost about £124 Billion in actual cash terms. Of that, the government bought £45 Billion of shares in RBS and £20 Billion of shares in Lloyds (not sure how you break down the rest though I think about £22 Billion went to Northern Rock). When Labour left government we were £1,000 Billion (a TRILLION!) in Debt and RISING! So take off £124 Billion for the Banks (Much of which we will get back!) and that means LABOUR left a debt of £876 Billion and RISING! ***We had NO DEBT when Labour came into power!
Wrong again, the Labour Government inherited a National Debt when it came to power. They left power with a larger national debt, however, if you look at the average annual percentage rise of that debt over the lifetime of their tenure (not including bank bail outs which was a must do situation), it rose at a lower rate than it has done in the last few years. Suppose you got your opinion from the Echo did you?

What planet are you on? Labour took over a thriving economy what did they leave? A note saying the cupboard was bare?

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7:51pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.

Unlike you & the rest of the left wing posters on here I've put my hands up when proven wrong I even apologised to you so you didn't stop posting but with the rubbish you come out with I think I did wrong. You are so blinkered no matter if the4 truth was shoved right in front of your eyes you wouldn't see it. When Tony Blairs Labour took power they continued with what the last Tory Government put into action so why do that if you say the Tories left Labour with debt? please explain how the millions Labour spent to stay in power can be justified

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8:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

loosehead wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.
Unlike you & the rest of the left wing posters on here I've put my hands up when proven wrong I even apologised to you so you didn't stop posting but with the rubbish you come out with I think I did wrong. You are so blinkered no matter if the4 truth was shoved right in front of your eyes you wouldn't see it. When Tony Blairs Labour took power they continued with what the last Tory Government put into action so why do that if you say the Tories left Labour with debt? please explain how the millions Labour spent to stay in power can be justified

Go away as you are becoming a troll... ........I am not interested in you or your post

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9:02pm Mon 25 Feb 13 loosehead says…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.
Unlike you & the rest of the left wing posters on here I've put my hands up when proven wrong I even apologised to you so you didn't stop posting but with the rubbish you come out with I think I did wrong. You are so blinkered no matter if the4 truth was shoved right in front of your eyes you wouldn't see it. When Tony Blairs Labour took power they continued with what the last Tory Government put into action so why do that if you say the Tories left Labour with debt? please explain how the millions Labour spent to stay in power can be justified
Go away as you are becoming a troll... ........I am not interested in you or your post

Same,Same! No more than to be expected from you.I hope you find someone who is as low a lifeform as you to get on with what's that your going to post your name?

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9:03pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

George4th wrote…

Lone Ranger. wrote…

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thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.

You just cut and run! The original list you gave was pathetic and included B & Q who reside in Chandlers Ford, Eastleigh! You are on very weak ground and you are this forum's classic waffler, when you're not throwing insults and using bad language towards Loosehead.........

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9:05pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
"we'd still have been in trouble, the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess" That is an absolute fact and so true. > The bank bail out cost about £124 Billion in actual cash terms. Of that, the government bought £45 Billion of shares in RBS and £20 Billion of shares in Lloyds (not sure how you break down the rest though I think about £22 Billion went to Northern Rock). When Labour left government we were £1,000 Billion (a TRILLION!) in Debt and RISING! So take off £124 Billion for the Banks (Much of which we will get back!) and that means LABOUR left a debt of £876 Billion and RISING! ***We had NO DEBT when Labour came into power!
Wrong again, the Labour Government inherited a National Debt when it came to power. They left power with a larger national debt, however, if you look at the average annual percentage rise of that debt over the lifetime of their tenure (not including bank bail outs which was a must do situation), it rose at a lower rate than it has done in the last few years. Suppose you got your opinion from the Echo did you?

What load of made up incoherent joined up thinking!

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9:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13 George4th says…

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Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.
Unlike you & the rest of the left wing posters on here I've put my hands up when proven wrong I even apologised to you so you didn't stop posting but with the rubbish you come out with I think I did wrong. You are so blinkered no matter if the4 truth was shoved right in front of your eyes you wouldn't see it. When Tony Blairs Labour took power they continued with what the last Tory Government put into action so why do that if you say the Tories left Labour with debt? please explain how the millions Labour spent to stay in power can be justified
Go away as you are becoming a troll... ........I am not interested in you or your post
Same,Same! No more than to be expected from you.I hope you find someone who is as low a lifeform as you to get on with what's that your going to post your name?

Loosehead, you post the truth. The people who denigrate you have an inability to have a proper discussion without ultimately resorting to using bad language or insults. Says a lot about them................ .

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10:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13 Lone Ranger. says…

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thinklikealocal wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

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loosehead wrote…

Why don't you left wingers read your own leaders & Ex Cabinets own press releases? Brown & the cabinet admitted they were part to blame for the financial mess due to their relaxation of the laws governing banks. as for the EU you really don't take any interest in the EU do you? before Ireland Greece & the others got into trouble they were doing well but the interest the EU Central Bank had set was no good for Germany but good for those countries now in trouble. Germany the masters of the EU got what they wanted & Ireland & Greeces economy went into free fall. Labour says borrow,borrow & spend,spend get Britain Working? more people in work than in decades, Unemployment going down. tax returns going up? Moody's change our credit rating? what would happen with Labours way down to a single A rating? Just look at how much we used to bail out the banks then look at how much we were in debt as a country when Labour lost power then tell me where,how,why did Labour let us get into so much debt? if it was just the Banks money Yes we could have taken time to pay it off but that is only a small fraction of the debt Labour left us with. Yet you want us to trust Labour?
OMG, more of the usual rubbish!
Well shows the level of your intelligence if you can call the absolute truth rubbish. exactly how much did Labour use to bail out the banks? write it down then write down the debt Labour left when ousted from power now take the bank debt away from the actual debt figure & how much did Labour spend to try to cling on to power? Now I'm no Labour fan but I listen when they make statements,Ed Milliband,Brown, Balls & Harman all admit to the relaxation of the rules governing banks being a contributing fact to the financial mess so why's this rubbish? your beloved Labour politicians have said so why not ask them whilst they're touting for votes in Eastleigh? I hope you've got a good Therapist as any council worker who believes the union didn't know about the job cuts & services cuts needs to see a therapist,
I never said the Unions didn't know about staff and budget cuts? We ALL knew they were coming regardless of who was in power due to the level of central govt cuts. Your comment was that the unions had hoodwinked staff into striking and that their motive was to get the Tories out. Stop changing your story and staggering from one ridiculous position to another. Are you seriously suggesting that the Labour government should not have bailed the banks out? More ridiculousness! The banks failed cos they bought in to toxic debt products from North America that they didn't even understand. Exactly what bank regulation have the Condems introduced to stop that happening again? You really are a clueless blinkered moron.
So you say I'm changing my story? did I say we shouldn't have bail;ed out the banks?NO I said add up all the money to bail out the banks then take that amount off of the debt left by the previous Government & see exactly what they spent. no banking crisis & we'd still have been in trouble the banking crisis covered up Labours financial mess. Before the local elections in Southampton which your not a resident of Williams made a statement to the press only to say he never said it,before that election Labour & the Unions were in talks about a future Labour budget. before the meeting of Union Members to vote on a deal between Labour & the unions the two parties had been in talks about5 the budget. then after those talks the Unions got their members to accept a cut in redundancy pay,a cut in pensions & no court action why? then after the vote the deal was accepted then the Conveners acted with shock at the budget news why? they were in the room when those decisions were taken before that vote so yes they hoodwinked their members into accepting a deal. Further more if a grant application hadn't been applied for when we had a Tory council to keep weekly collections there would have been even more redundancies & you say the Unions didn't hoodwink you? you can't teach the blind to see if they don't want to see. I can see that you & your Union/Labour friends are trying to save face but really don't slate me attack the real villains in this & that's Labour & your Union Conveners. If you want so blinded by the left you could see exactly how you the work force was conned. GO & SEE YOUR THERAPIST & WHILE YOUR AT IT GO INTO SPECSAVERS maybe they'll help you to see again
Here is your earlier quote. As I said, whenever anyone challenges what you say you just change the story! "Unions who didn't give a **** for their members but took out industrial action to oust a Tory council". To summarise, you started by claiming the staff were hoodwinked because the dispute was motivated by a desire to oust the Tory administration and then changed tack to say the staff were hoodwinked into accepting the pay restoration deal! The pay restoration deal put to staff NEVER had a caviat about saving jobs or services. The changes to the redundancy package were never part of the original dispute so couldn't be part of the settlement. you really are very ignorant on this subject. As I work there and you don't, I think you might just have to accept that I actually know more about this than you do!
JUST AMIT IT! your a Union lackey who can't see what they've done to their members? Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into a n industrial dispute.Yes you were lied to/hoodwinked into accepting a deal with Labour it's so funny that only you & the other left wingers can't see it. How can a union say they are there for their members when they didn't even enter into negotiations with the employer(council) then refused to talk until their demands were met at ACAS. that's the reason of ACAS to sort out these differences not to have demands before ACAS. So the whole reason the industrial action took place was down to Union lies(you were hoodwinked). Yes the Unions had ulterior motives behind the call for industrial action if you can't see that YES you were hoodwinked. then to accept a deal & get the workforce to accept a deal knowing what was to come is Hoodwinking their members or can't you see that? As for the legal actions where members were told they'd get a pay out when they won? would they have won or was that also a lie to hoodwink the members? OH! I forgot you wanted redundancies & services cut as long as you had your pay restored so you must have known all this was to come & are now happy to see it happen aren't you?
I am not a union lackey. I am a highly intelligent person who can think for themselves! The industrial dispute was about the pay cut being imposed on staff. If there had been no pay cut, there would have been no industrial dispute! So how can it be about getting rid of the Tory administration? The pay deal offered by the Labour administration was put to members. As it satisfied most, it was accepted. How is that hoodwinking staff? ALL staff knew that jobs cuts were coming anyway, to pretend anything else is pure nonsense on your part. The Unions never said there would be no job losses. Dropping the legal action was part of the deal, you do understand how deal making works don't you? Again, it was for staff to decide and they made their decision. I dont 'want' redundancies, however, Central Government have made the decision to reduce funding for Local Government so therefore cuts are inevitable and unavoidable, and yes, I don't see why my pay should be cut to offset these cuts. The MOD have had their funding cut, are military personnel being asked to take a pay cut to stave off redundancies? NO, so why should I? I am not happy at the decimation of Local Government and local services, however, it is not within my power to stop it, it is within the power of the Condem partnership at Westminster. I truly believe that most of the nation is 'sleepwalking' into these cuts and the implicarions for local communities and future generations is frightening. You seem to lack a basic understanding of industrial disputes. You state that staff were hoodwinked into accepting a lower redundancy package and lower pension. Neither of these things were issues within the dispute. Having gained legal permission for a ballot, about specific issues, industrial action is then clearly about those issues and cannot be 'escalated' to encompass others without another ballot (mandate). Pensions are a national issue in any event not a local one. For your information, Royston Smith was advised at every level not to go down the road he did, but, being an egotistical, power hungry fool he did. Pride comes before a fall and him and his party only have themselves to blame for the loss of power.
I think you must have missed the post of a week or so back when an SCC staff member wrote exactly how life is at SCC! It confirmed what we already thought or knew!. > Loosehead is correct. The staff of SCC were used by their Union for Political Engineering purposes. You were lied to. > Southampton has suffered a lack of regeneration and is unable to attract businesses to Southampton. Why is this? It's because Southampton has been largely governed by Labour councils who are reliant upon Union support. Without the jobs in Southampton paid out of the Public purse, Southampton would be a ghost town!
More rubbish ...... It has been pointed out time and time again the companies that have chosen to have their businesses in Southampton. . A business wioll come here IRRESPECTIVE of who the governing party is. . They look at location, property size and type available, business traffic, comutale links and the workforce in the area. . Typical scaremongering from the usual sources ....... and of course a fair bit of sour grapes. .
Firstly, you seem to have avoided backing up your comment and actually listing companies who have opened up in Southampton! (Exclude retail and Carnival who obviously followed their ships here!). You could also list the businesses who are leaving Southampton or downsizing.......... Secondly, as far as I can see, the only businesses opening up in Southampton are charity shops and cafes! Thirdly, our educated young do not hang around in Southampton because there are so few opportunities....... .................... ...
I have listed companies before that are expanding here ....... Lloyds Register is having a brand new building built ..... Or doesnt that count !! ..... perhaps you want to put your own spin on it and say "Well you cant count that coz it start with an L". . Oh no and you cant count Carnival because they moved to followed their ships here ..... How ruddy ridiculous your arguement is .... . Oh and you cant count retail ..... . Cant count ummm anything that employees people !!! . Your arguement is non existent and is just a spiteful Tory pop at things that dont go your way. . I suggest that you should consider moving away .......... Just like you said you would if the Tories lost control of SCC. . Oh and dont forget i think that you said you would leave the country if the Tories lost the next General election. . Well if i was you i would start packing because your chums aka Slippery and Useless are screwing this country and it's people far more than any other government has done for 50 Years.
:-) Re Lloyds Register - This is a new venture led by Southampton University on Southampton University premises and only involves a small portion of Lloyds Register - Lloyds Register HQ remains in London.... I'm waiting for the list!! History will show that the last Labour government tenure was the worst period of our History in peace time! Their is absolutely no legacy left by that government other than bodies in cemeteries from a false war, the gap between the have and the have nots widened, left a massive debt that was £876 Billion and Rising (even after paying out to the Banks!), ex Labour MPs with huge Wealth Property Portfolios and the ability to earn mega bucks on the Speaking circuit telling people how they screwed the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave over the list 2-3 weeks ago and i am not going to continually supply you with information that you constantly dismiss for some little reason when it suits your arguement. . Strange that you still havent packed and moved on yet as i thought that was your main intention re the failure of your Tory party locally ... What happened there then ......... change of heart. or perhaps you bottled it realising that this is a fine City where people come first and politics come further down the list. . Or perhaps you were like your Tory pin-up boy and realised that something that you said a few months or years ago has the habbit of coming back and biting you on tht b*m.
You just cut and run! The original list you gave was pathetic and included B & Q who reside in Chandlers Ford, Eastleigh! You are on very weak ground and you are this forum's classic waffler, when you're not throwing insults and using bad language towards Loosehead.........

Before you through that insult at me re loosehead i suggest that you read some of his posts that may not show up on this main forum

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