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Rodriguez stakes claim to start for Saints against Villa

By Gordon Simpson

6:00am Saturday 12th January 2013

Rodriguez stakes claim to start against Villa

Jay Rodriguez believes he has improved as a player since joining Saints, even if his first few months at the club have been frustrating at times.

The 23-year-old, pictured, arrived at St Mary’s last summer in a £7m deal from Championship side Burnley.

At the time, the fee paid for his services was a club record, only for it to be trumped soon after by the £12m capture of Gastón Ramírez from Bologna.

The price tag, coupled with a burgeoning reputation forged in the second tier, meant expectations were high following Rodriguez’s transfer.

But the forward has been unable to nail down a regular place in Nigel Adkins’ team this term.

He started the campaign as a regular selection, however he was utilised mainly on the left-hand side, rather than through the middle.

Rodriguez then dropped onto the substitutes’ bench for a spell, but has started to force his way back into the reckoning, turning in some impressive recent displays.

He scored in the 3-3 draw at Stoke and also put Saints in front against Chelsea in last weekend’s FA Cup defeat, with his form coinciding with opportunities to play in a more central position.

“It has been a learning curve playing against better players and better teams,” admitted Rodriguez.

“It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played.

“But all I can do is work hard and just carry on trying to improve as a player.”

Full story in today's Daily Echo

Comments(85)

Comments(85)

Rising_Son says...
7:08am Sat 12 Jan 13

He's a success just beginning to happen and will soon be worth the £7m we paid for him.

Southampton boy says...
7:13am Sat 12 Jan 13

He should start, as we need to get the right result I don't think he is worth £7m at present but who knows may be he will pove me worng as he is to easly pushed off the ball he needs to get stornger when he is on the ball not going today but my grandson wil be there so COYR.s only a win wil do here please

Velleity says...
7:28am Sat 12 Jan 13

Southampton boy wrote:
He should start, as we need to get the right result I don't think he is worth £7m at present but who knows may be he will pove me worng as he is to easly pushed off the ball he needs to get stornger when he is on the ball not going today but my grandson wil be there so COYR.s only a win wil do here please
Bang on - he's very easily pushed around. If Lambert and any defender go for the ball in the air, Lambert gets it. If Jay and a defender spar, then the defender gets it. He needs to eat a few more pies.

since 1885 says...
7:39am Sat 12 Jan 13

If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!

SaintinCanada says...
7:40am Sat 12 Jan 13

Rickie was 1 million and one for the future then.....forward thinking!

J-Rod.....same thing. Excellent forward thinking.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...
7:49am Sat 12 Jan 13

THREE

Norwegian Saint says...
7:49am Sat 12 Jan 13

I have been very disappointed with J-Rod, a tap in from from 1yard at Stoke and an ok goal v chelsea doesn't change my mind about him... Yet.
Maybe he is scoring for fun on the training ground but can't bring it to the big stage? NA must like something about him. For me he loses the ball far too easily and then runs after it half hearted.
All that said, I hope he changes it around, we needed a second striker that would get 8-12 goals to earn his money.
BUT as somebody mentioned in a post the other day... Scoring is not the problem... Conceding has. Where are the new signings!? Where's our new Mark Wright, Claus Lundekvann???
I do hope for a J-Rod hat-trick but will go feed my pigs and ready them for take off!
Please win today Saints! I won't find out until later or tomorrow as I'm off to a cabin in the fjords.
Come on J-Rod (prove me wrong)
Come on you Saints!!!!

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...
8:14am Sat 12 Jan 13

Looking at the other fixtures, a win today could see us move nicely clear of a few.

That's a few not the Few who we are of course clear of by two divisions.

Clemster says...
8:23am Sat 12 Jan 13

He was alot of money but he is definitely improving. Was not his fault that he cost so much and I think he will be useful asset to us this season and definitely in seasons to come. Always impressed with his attitude and if wasn't frustrated because he wants to play more games then I'd be more worried. Still very young. A feature of all NC's transfer dealings has been ability to resale at a later I notice. Never signing anyone too old that value will diminish

mack chinnon says...
8:24am Sat 12 Jan 13

Come on County.

Strasbourg Saint says...
8:26am Sat 12 Jan 13

Pedant time: "It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played."

1. Did he really use HAVE four times (plus HAD) in one sentence?
2. However, the error which the Echo has made is LIKE. It should be LIKED.

Anyway, I think fans should give him (Lee and Mayuka) more time. New players don't always settle in straight away. It took Keegan an age to score his first goal.

In short, I have faith that Jay has the talent to have a fantastic future once he has settled into the life he has chosen playing for the best team ever to have graced the Premier League. He has my full support and I have a feeling that by 5pm he will have bagged another goal or two.

SaintMark says...
8:29am Sat 12 Jan 13

I'm sure that J Rod will come good. He knows where the goal is as shown in the championship. Just look at how Punch has come on! Just needs to put the work in and I'm sure he will shine.

zummerzet saint says...
8:40am Sat 12 Jan 13

J Rod is a class striker, if that goal against Chelsea was scored by Suarez or Aguero it would have been 'a sublime finish!'
When he starts regularly he'll bang 'em in!

OSPREYSAINT says...
8:41am Sat 12 Jan 13

JRod does offer a variation on the theme, we at times become very predictable and so it is useful to have a forward that can offer us a Plan B, definitely one for the future and like the rest is learning from each game played. Shouldn't be so judgemental on so few appearances.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...
8:42am Sat 12 Jan 13

Unfortunately for players they are all too easily compared to each other because they have a price on their heads. Ba was £7m as was Jay Rod, are they equal? Would Chelsea want Jay Rod?

Some have criticised Gaston but I really like him and think he's an exciting footballer which at the end of the day is what it's all about. He was £12m as was Oxo. Which would you rather have? As much as I like Gaston I'd sooner have the Ox.

Bring back Branfoot says...
8:57am Sat 12 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
JRod does offer a variation on the theme, we at times become very predictable and so it is useful to have a forward that can offer us a Plan B, definitely one for the future and like the rest is learning from each game played. Shouldn't be so judgemental on so few appearances.
"Predictable" you say. The very word I have been using to describe our attacking play for the past two months. I'm glad to see you finally agree!

Bring back Branfoot says...
9:00am Sat 12 Jan 13

since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Good to see another post with a very good point. JRod should be given balls to run onto. He has the pace to cause problems, let home use it!

Bring back Branfoot says...
9:02am Sat 12 Jan 13

Southampton boy wrote:
He should start, as we need to get the right result I don't think he is worth £7m at present but who knows may be he will pove me worng as he is to easly pushed off the ball he needs to get stornger when he is on the ball not going today but my grandson wil be there so COYR.s only a win wil do here please
If his pace is utilised, at today's prices, he could be worth the money.

Clever Dick says...
9:07am Sat 12 Jan 13

J Rod is a completely different type of player than Sir Rickie. Yes he does get muscled off the ball a bit easily but he also goes across the line looking for the through ball better than him. Just the type of player that Gaston can pick out in fact. He's a proven goalscorer being asked to play out of position most of the time and I'm in no doubt he will come good. Hopefully today. COYR.

Saint 2701 says...
9:07am Sat 12 Jan 13

No Jay. Not good enough. Out on loan.

kent141 says...
9:08am Sat 12 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THREE
THREE

The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)

mack chinnon says...
9:40am Sat 12 Jan 13

Stalker alert Mr House.

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...
9:44am Sat 12 Jan 13

kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THREE
THREE

The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
That's 3000 - nearly your complete home support Kenty.

THREE is the number of days until Poopee cease to exist - hopefully.

Then it's PARTY TIME!

COYR - 3-1 win today!

Strasbourg Saint says...
9:46am Sat 12 Jan 13

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THREE
THREE

The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
That's 3000 - nearly your complete home support Kenty.

THREE is the number of days until Poopee cease to exist - hopefully.

Then it's PARTY TIME!

COYR - 3-1 win today!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
!

warrens 76 says...
9:56am Sat 12 Jan 13

J Rod, missed some sitters and fluffed shots in the early season that damaged his (and our) confidence.....howev
er the talent is there...

Our style of play and his also did not compliment particularly as he was not played in his best position...

If he goes on a roll which is likely then so will we...

All those going 'blow the blöödy roof off'..

warrens 76 says...
10:24am Sat 12 Jan 13

since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..
think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...
.period.

Folkestone Saint says...
10:26am Sat 12 Jan 13

kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THREE
THREE

The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...
10:30am Sat 12 Jan 13

mack chinnon wrote:
Stalker alert Mr House.
He is actually right on this occasion! Nearly at Little Chef.

COYR!
Come on County!


15.1.13

Bring back Branfoot says...
10:36am Sat 12 Jan 13

Saint 2701 wrote:
No Jay. Not good enough. Out on loan.
Give him a chance. Let him use his pace to good effect and he might bring a different dimension to the team.

Confucious says...
10:37am Sat 12 Jan 13

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Pedant time: "It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played."

1. Did he really use HAVE four times (plus HAD) in one sentence?
2. However, the error which the Echo has made is LIKE. It should be LIKED.

Anyway, I think fans should give him (Lee and Mayuka) more time. New players don't always settle in straight away. It took Keegan an age to score his first goal.

In short, I have faith that Jay has the talent to have a fantastic future once he has settled into the life he has chosen playing for the best team ever to have graced the Premier League. He has my full support and I have a feeling that by 5pm he will have bagged another goal or two.
Spot on Stras - you will definately not go down to posterity writing bad grammar.

I try not ever to split infinitives because the less times I do it the more affect my postings have. To be more or less specific, I would of thought most people on here really should have went to a better school.

Some will find this a mute point, hardly awaited with bated breath, but for me and you it's an issue to be very concerned with.

As for Jay - time will prove he's not second to nobody.

SaintMax says...
10:40am Sat 12 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately for players they are all too easily compared to each other because they have a price on their heads. Ba was £7m as was Jay Rod, are they equal? Would Chelsea want Jay Rod?

Some have criticised Gaston but I really like him and think he's an exciting footballer which at the end of the day is what it's all about. He was £12m as was Oxo. Which would you rather have? As much as I like Gaston I'd sooner have the Ox.
Your right about the comparison thing. But choosing Ox over Gaston is a tough one. Ox has grown up in the English game, whereas Gaston is still adjusting to the pace and the team.
In my opinion Gaston is more technically gifted than Ox - I'd prefer gaston even based on the 7 or so games he has played for us (injury considered).

Bring back Branfoot says...
10:48am Sat 12 Jan 13

Jay's biggest attribute is his speed, so why did Nigel buy him when his intention was to have the team play a slow passing game. Again it smacks of Nigel not having a definite plan going into the season. Much like the GK situation, trying all three in the first seven games, hoping things would just miraculously fall into place.

Five Trophies Between Us says...
10:55am Sat 12 Jan 13

Velleity wrote:
Southampton boy wrote: He should start, as we need to get the right result I don't think he is worth £7m at present but who knows may be he will pove me worng as he is to easly pushed off the ball he needs to get stornger when he is on the ball not going today but my grandson wil be there so COYR.s only a win wil do here please
Bang on - he's very easily pushed around. If Lambert and any defender go for the ball in the air, Lambert gets it. If Jay and a defender spar, then the defender gets it. He needs to eat a few more pies.
not bang on. do u know u r completely wrong. j rod = a fairy = normal stuff

Confucious says...
10:56am Sat 12 Jan 13

SaintMax wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately for players they are all too easily compared to each other because they have a price on their heads. Ba was £7m as was Jay Rod, are they equal? Would Chelsea want Jay Rod?

Some have criticised Gaston but I really like him and think he's an exciting footballer which at the end of the day is what it's all about. He was £12m as was Oxo. Which would you rather have? As much as I like Gaston I'd sooner have the Ox.
Your right about the comparison thing. But choosing Ox over Gaston is a tough one. Ox has grown up in the English game, whereas Gaston is still adjusting to the pace and the team.
In my opinion Gaston is more technically gifted than Ox - I'd prefer gaston even based on the 7 or so games he has played for us (injury considered).
They both have qualities which in many ways are complementary. I would need to see the sports science stats before making a final decision.
However, we should bear in mind that we have over eight thousand female supporters who would certainly rather watch Gaston's slim frame in midfield than see Oxo's fat @rse racing down the wing.

Bear this in mind because disregarding our female fans is very patronising.

Ross123 says...
10:56am Sat 12 Jan 13

praying kelvin davies starts today!

if boruc starts he will have a shocker!

and gazzinga for that matter.

both liabilities.

no brainer for me! agree?

Five Trophies Between Us says...
10:56am Sat 12 Jan 13

Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts

Five Trophies Between Us says...
10:58am Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saint 2701 wrote: No Jay. Not good enough. Out on loan.
Give him a chance. Let him use his pace to good effect and he might bring a different dimension to the team.
keep him. j rod could be good in the championship again

SaintMax says...
11:00am Sat 12 Jan 13

Ross123 wrote:
praying kelvin davies starts today!

if boruc starts he will have a shocker!

and gazzinga for that matter.

both liabilities.

no brainer for me! agree?
I wouldn't personally stake my house on any one of them at the moment. This game needs someone who will command their box and underpin a strong confident defence.
Boruc for me.

Five Trophies Between Us says...
11:03am Sat 12 Jan 13

ur season will start 2 slide 2day. everyone will start to scream bout it. but enjoy the ride. no big stadium 4 u. no signings - shame 4 u

Bring back Branfoot says...
11:05am Sat 12 Jan 13

Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.

OSPREYSAINT says...
11:15am Sat 12 Jan 13

As it appears to be a troll/WUM fest today, it is time to go elsewhere for sensible discourse.

Bring back Branfoot says...
11:19am Sat 12 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
As it appears to be a troll/WUM fest today, it is time to go elsewhere for sensible discourse.
It’s truly incredible that some of you dedicate such a large portion of your lives to following Saints and posting on here, ad nauseam, yet you missed the fundamental reasons for our poor season, namely our style of play and the defense and GK situations not being fully dealt with in the summer. I said it over a couple of months ago and some of you started crying, namely the skate baiters, you know who you are, huh OSPers!

Skating on thin ice says...
11:20am Sat 12 Jan 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
THREE
Stop picking on Guly. It's not his fault that it is only three days to the anniversary of the last time he scored a goal. Besides, he scored just recently, even if it was for Arsenal.

saintsupnorth says...
11:34am Sat 12 Jan 13

Fifa Released a list of the top 100 players in the world. Mayuka was one of them? makes you wonder why he spends so much time on the bench i he is that good.

Velleity says...
11:46am Sat 12 Jan 13

Ross123 wrote:
praying kelvin davies starts today!

if boruc starts he will have a shocker!

and gazzinga for that matter.

both liabilities.

no brainer for me! agree?
Not at all.

Ref "if boruc starts he will have a shocker"

Do you know tonight's lottery numbers, please?

Velleity says...
11:47am Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
Sssshhhh! WUM Alert

Folkestone Saint says...
11:47am Sat 12 Jan 13

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts
And two more administrations than us, and we know that hurts you

redsnapper says...
11:52am Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
As it appears to be a troll/WUM fest today, it is time to go elsewhere for sensible discourse.
It’s truly incredible that some of you dedicate such a large portion of your lives to following Saints and posting on here, ad nauseam, yet you missed the fundamental reasons for our poor season, namely our style of play and the defense and GK situations not being fully dealt with in the summer. I said it over a couple of months ago and some of you started crying, namely the skate baiters, you know who you are, huh OSPers!
BBB Dopey negative post, there is such a thing as having to acclimatise Just look how badly the 3 relegated from Prem teams are doing in the Championship.
GK position was clearly recognized as a position to fix as evidenced by the club bid for Butland but when that didnt happen we have to make do with what we have and unfortunately KD has been a failure at this level. re Style of play against Stoke and others has been spot on.

up saints says...
11:53am Sat 12 Jan 13

Velleity wrote:
Ross123 wrote:
praying kelvin davies starts today!

if boruc starts he will have a shocker!

and gazzinga for that matter.

both liabilities.

no brainer for me! agree?
Not at all.

Ref "if boruc starts he will have a shocker"

Do you know tonight's lottery numbers, please?
adding on to this post if boruc starts it will confirm recent post nigel is not looking for another keeper think thats a big mistake

philiprhampton says...
11:58am Sat 12 Jan 13

Has anybody noticed how good our grammer is,and how well we speak,
compared to that lot down the road ?
COYRs

hates the skates says...
12:01pm Sat 12 Jan 13

come on spurs, westbrom, fulham and of couse county, COYR. onwards and upwards momentarily at least

rocketone says...
12:03pm Sat 12 Jan 13

I support the Saints.
I am not blind to reality, we are 4th from bottom.
Sometimes I go on the News site and make football comments and some of the posters on there get all stupid. Much as they do on here! Is it a Poopey thing that they cannot make sensible comments?
Then there are the WUMs who know nothing about football and support no team, Kent
I think Saints can win today, I thought that in the home game too.
Support the Saints

up saints says...
12:23pm Sat 12 Jan 13

philiprhampton wrote:
Has anybody noticed how good our grammer is,and how well we speak,
compared to that lot down the road ?
COYRs
my grammer is crap but i was born is southampton general mum still in sholing thats my life story

Five Trophies Between Us says...
12:24pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts
And two more administrations than us, and we know that hurts you
administrations or silverware. ur call. we know the answer hurts. haha

Folkestone Saint says...
12:30pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts
And two more administrations than us, and we know that hurts you
administrations or silverware. ur call. we know the answer hurts. haha
Actally as I have told you time and time before, it is four trophies between us as the last one you don't own it belong's to all the tax payers in the land ha ha ha

Five Trophies Between Us says...
12:32pm Sat 12 Jan 13

philiprhampton wrote:
Has anybody noticed how good our grammer is,and how well we speak, compared to that lot down the road ? COYRs
u muppet. cant spell GRAMMAR. dont think u need a COMMA after speak either mr stupid

Five Trophies Between Us says...
12:49pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts
And two more administrations than us, and we know that hurts you
administrations or silverware. ur call. we know the answer hurts. haha
Actally as I have told you time and time before, it is four trophies between us as the last one you don't own it belong's to all the tax payers in the land ha ha ha
either way it hurts, u know it 2. all u can say is: cheated. haha

Bring back Branfoot says...
12:52pm Sat 12 Jan 13

redsnapper wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
As it appears to be a troll/WUM fest today, it is time to go elsewhere for sensible discourse.
It’s truly incredible that some of you dedicate such a large portion of your lives to following Saints and posting on here, ad nauseam, yet you missed the fundamental reasons for our poor season, namely our style of play and the defense and GK situations not being fully dealt with in the summer. I said it over a couple of months ago and some of you started crying, namely the skate baiters, you know who you are, huh OSPers!
BBB Dopey negative post, there is such a thing as having to acclimatise Just look how badly the 3 relegated from Prem teams are doing in the Championship.
GK position was clearly recognized as a position to fix as evidenced by the club bid for Butland but when that didnt happen we have to make do with what we have and unfortunately KD has been a failure at this level. re Style of play against Stoke and others has been spot on.
Yes the style of play against Stoke, Newcastle and second half against Villa was direct and brilliant. The same things I was saying months ago, and was attacked for saying, are now being posted by the very same fools who attacked.

And why do we have to make do with what we got? He went out and bought two keepers, neither of whom are of Premiership standard. No offense, but your post is both dopey and makes no real sense. When sb states the obvious, it's not being negative, it's being honest!

hates the skates says...
12:52pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
ive been saying that for months since october so you havent been proved right any one with partial vision and one brain cell could see it, just like i have been banging on about signings or lack of this month. but what can we do about it? gloat? we got what we got and us as surporters have to surport the team. i would think clearer before you use the word our again

Bring back Branfoot says...
12:55pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Velleity wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
Sssshhhh! WUM Alert
Vallerie, another of your posts jam packed with thoughtful football insight. This is not the Loose Women thread, sweetheart! Try talking football and not acting like a little tail.

Bring back Branfoot says...
1:04pm Sat 12 Jan 13

hates the skates wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
ive been saying that for months since october so you havent been proved right any one with partial vision and one brain cell could see it, just like i have been banging on about signings or lack of this month. but what can we do about it? gloat? we got what we got and us as surporters have to surport the team. i would think clearer before you use the word our again
No one's gloating, but this is a football thread, and a lot of the regulars hypothesize about everything under the sun without actually pointing out what the basic problems are.

And why shouldn't I point out that months ago, when any Saints fan dare make any of these comments, they were branded skates.

By the way, I don't remember you talking about our slow style of play! That Warren chap was the only other person who could see the obvious. The rest of you were spouting nonsense such as, "Spider's quality". No really!

Bring back Branfoot says...
1:06pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Chaps level with me, are you letting you other halves post using your usernames? It would explain a lot!

Saintsteve7 says...
1:09pm Sat 12 Jan 13

J Rod has all the raw ingredients to be a big hit at saints. No, he doesn't win the same flick ons that RL does but he has pace and can run the channels. If he is a patient lad who can look further than his nose then he'll stick around, learn his trade and be a big part of Saints future in the premier league.

SaintMax says...
1:16pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Chaps level with me, are you letting you other halves post using your usernames? It would explain a lot!
I'm still not happy with the team wearing red, especially as it clashes with Steve Davis's hair.
None of the players boots match either, how for the life of me lime green boots supposed to match red socks, I don't know!

Saintsteve7 says...
1:19pm Sat 12 Jan 13

warrens 76 wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..

think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...

.period.
What you need to realise is that as a club we have never been known as a good passing side. It is something we have tried to implement since NA arrived and it takes time. Time that I'm willing to give NA or whoever is in charge. Passing the ball around is the easy bit it's passing the ball around quickly that takes time. Barcelona didn't develope their style in 2/3 seasons it's it took 10+.

Would we really like to go back to the Strachan/Pardew days? Although both managers took us to cup finals, let's be honest neither manager was too fussed about playing nice football. Under both managers we played a lot of long ball football and I applaud the club for wanting to change direction.

I think we'll need to be patient, I believe we will get there!

OSPREYSAINT says...
1:32pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Well it looks as if Skates can't win their possible "final" match, it's orf.

rocketone says...
1:32pm Sat 12 Jan 13

If you post enough different views one of them will prove to be right.
Saints style has not changed.
We play direct during games as well as the pretty passing. This is obvious if you are at the games, it might not come over quite so well on tv highlights.
With Lallana out the style has had to change, not quite so many intricate movements.
Jrod started out wide, this is not unusual with a player new to a league and team, Walcott is still being played there and moaning about it!
The team has started to knit together, remember how many new players are in the team and how they differ from the players they replace.
Today we play Villa who are two different teams and can be brilliant or awful.
When we played them at SMS we too played two different styles,
Nigel has been called naive by the very posters who now claim that it was their idea that now produces the results that we now get. The same tactics they slated at the time , must be brilliant to be able to completely ignore what you previously said and claim to be a genius.

Saintsteve7 says...
1:38pm Sat 12 Jan 13

rocketone wrote:
If you post enough different views one of them will prove to be right.
Saints style has not changed.
We play direct during games as well as the pretty passing. This is obvious if you are at the games, it might not come over quite so well on tv highlights.
With Lallana out the style has had to change, not quite so many intricate movements.
Jrod started out wide, this is not unusual with a player new to a league and team, Walcott is still being played there and moaning about it!
The team has started to knit together, remember how many new players are in the team and how they differ from the players they replace.
Today we play Villa who are two different teams and can be brilliant or awful.
When we played them at SMS we too played two different styles,
Nigel has been called naive by the very posters who now claim that it was their idea that now produces the results that we now get. The same tactics they slated at the time , must be brilliant to be able to completely ignore what you previously said and claim to be a genius.
Our style has changed! Under Strachan and Pardew there was little to passing football. It's was long to Beattie or long to Lambert. Yes we can and do go long in games but it's not our 'main' way of playing. What would you prefer?

OSPREYSAINT says...
1:42pm Sat 12 Jan 13

QPR 0 0 ht.

Velleity says...
2:03pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
Sssshhhh! WUM Alert
Vallerie, another of your posts jam packed with thoughtful football insight. This is not the Loose Women thread, sweetheart! Try talking football and not acting like a little tail.
Sssshhhh!

rocketone says...
2:07pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Saintsteve7 wrote:
rocketone wrote:
If you post enough different views one of them will prove to be right.
Saints style has not changed.
We play direct during games as well as the pretty passing. This is obvious if you are at the games, it might not come over quite so well on tv highlights.
With Lallana out the style has had to change, not quite so many intricate movements.
Jrod started out wide, this is not unusual with a player new to a league and team, Walcott is still being played there and moaning about it!
The team has started to knit together, remember how many new players are in the team and how they differ from the players they replace.
Today we play Villa who are two different teams and can be brilliant or awful.
When we played them at SMS we too played two different styles,
Nigel has been called naive by the very posters who now claim that it was their idea that now produces the results that we now get. The same tactics they slated at the time , must be brilliant to be able to completely ignore what you previously said and claim to be a genius.
Our style has changed! Under Strachan and Pardew there was little to passing football. It's was long to Beattie or long to Lambert. Yes we can and do go long in games but it's not our 'main' way of playing. What would you prefer?
Posters are claiming this under Nigel.
We have changed since he took over.
This is the kind of response I mean.
In the last three seasons we have become a good footbaing side with the capability to play direct when needed.This is the tactics I am referring to. If you want to delve even further into history I was there when Lawrie Mac started with Reuben Agboola as a sweeper and the whole of the top division said "what?"

st bevois says...
2:07pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Saintsteve7 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..


think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...


.period.
What you need to realise is that as a club we have never been known as a good passing side. It is something we have tried to implement since NA arrived and it takes time. Time that I'm willing to give NA or whoever is in charge. Passing the ball around is the easy bit it's passing the ball around quickly that takes time. Barcelona didn't develope their style in 2/3 seasons it's it took 10+.

Would we really like to go back to the Strachan/Pardew days? Although both managers took us to cup finals, let's be honest neither manager was too fussed about playing nice football. Under both managers we played a lot of long ball football and I applaud the club for wanting to change direction.

I think we'll need to be patient, I believe we will get there!
Eh!!?? You obviously never had the pleasure of watching Golac, Ball, Williams and Channon tearing teams to bits with some of the finest one touch football I have ever seen (what we always do seem to have over the years is a leaky defence). Lawrie always bought in footballers as well as those who can "mix" it. Chris Nichol was reviled for the Mark Dennis episode but he put together one of the most exciting young teams with an old head in Jimmy Case spraying the passes around. Branfoot got it wrong and bought the wrong players in. Other managers - Hoddle, Souness etc even for short periods played to our "ethos" as much as possible. The reason Beattie scored goals under WGS is because we moved balls down the flanks and put crosses in - not all long ball. As David Armstrong used to say in his commentary, that was a major key to success ie get past and behind the defence to the bye-line. Even the niave and failed experiment of Lowe's under Jan P was at least based on a football ethos with our young kids bullied out of it the Championship. We have always been the West Ham of the South and I would rather be us than them right now. The key is balance and not having the goalie pass the ball out to a full-back with two players closing him down. Its not always the goalie's fault - its been drummed into him during training all week to play like that. Whilst it may be laudable to play like that, NA has to realise that this is not the Championship where we used to dominate for the most part (should he not know that?) and outpass teams to death. Funny really - even Chelsea came unstuck like that in mid-week - perhaps they caught our defensive lurgy last week. As Warren has said and others - there is a time to move it fast - to gain an advantage or territory and there is a time to hold the ball and play it around. There have been bad times, but more often than not over the years we have played passing football - its what the fans want to see and we have always made that clear to the club. I look forward to a repeat of the previous Villa second half today - we really should go for the "throat" from the off, especially after their midweek result. Please NA do not be negative - press, dominate, out-pass them, an early goal hopefully and knock the stuffing out of them!!! Unfortunately - despite the recent improvement and with Fonte out I don't feel like our defence and team can do what Norwich and Sunderland did to us and what QPR and Swansea did to Chelsea ie dig in and hold out and sneak one. We really shouldn't be thinking like that COYR!!!!

Velleity says...
2:11pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
hates the skates wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saints will NOT be relegated. Talentwise, the team is not a bottom three team. Nigel is not, yet, a Premier League manager and will not survive as manager beyond next Christmas. I've been proved right about everything else, our slow play, the GKs, the defense, Nigel's poor planning & decision making, and I will be proved right again!

A manager should be brought in, to put in place a tactical system & style of play that suits the attributes of the players at his disposal. In other words to realise the potential of the players at his disposal, something Nigel doesn't seem to know how to do.
ive been saying that for months since october so you havent been proved right any one with partial vision and one brain cell could see it, just like i have been banging on about signings or lack of this month. but what can we do about it? gloat? we got what we got and us as surporters have to surport the team. i would think clearer before you use the word our again
No one's gloating, but this is a football thread, and a lot of the regulars hypothesize about everything under the sun without actually pointing out what the basic problems are.

And why shouldn't I point out that months ago, when any Saints fan dare make any of these comments, they were branded skates.

By the way, I don't remember you talking about our slow style of play! That Warren chap was the only other person who could see the obvious. The rest of you were spouting nonsense such as, "Spider's quality". No really!
If you engage with Branfoot, you just encourage him. A month ago he was praising EVERY single post by our Portsmouth WUM friends and attacking EVERY post by a Saints fan.

Suddenly he's on here trying to pretend he's a Saints fan all of a sudden. His claim of posts MONTHS ago is empty, his first post was on 15th November last year. Not really a long-term fan. As for a user name asking to bring back that tosspot, he's a WUM of the highest order.

Ignore him - he does get bored and drift away when ignored. In fact, last time he was ignored he accused us of bullying him! Poor dearie.


SssshhhHH!

Strasbourg Saint says...
2:15pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Confucious wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Pedant time: "It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played."

1. Did he really use HAVE four times (plus HAD) in one sentence?
2. However, the error which the Echo has made is LIKE. It should be LIKED.

Anyway, I think fans should give him (Lee and Mayuka) more time. New players don't always settle in straight away. It took Keegan an age to score his first goal.

In short, I have faith that Jay has the talent to have a fantastic future once he has settled into the life he has chosen playing for the best team ever to have graced the Premier League. He has my full support and I have a feeling that by 5pm he will have bagged another goal or two.
Spot on Stras - you will definately not go down to posterity writing bad grammar.

I try not ever to split infinitives because the less times I do it the more affect my postings have. To be more or less specific, I would of thought most people on here really should have went to a better school.

Some will find this a mute point, hardly awaited with bated breath, but for me and you it's an issue to be very concerned with.

As for Jay - time will prove he's not second to nobody.
Just got back online, Confucious.

Your right. You obviously speak very well English - just as I would of faught :)

Allez Le Machine Rouge et Blanc!!!

Strasbourg Saint says...
2:19pm Sat 12 Jan 13

philiprhampton wrote:
Has anybody noticed how good our grammer is,and how well we speak,
compared to that lot down the road ?
COYRs
Yes! In general, that's true.

More importantly, we support a far superior team and have far more fans.

Folkestone Saint says...
2:29pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
kent141 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: THREE
THREE The number of "mates" Billy will claim to go to Villa with :0)
Which is still 3 more than you CLAIM to have in total
more bitz of silverware than u. and we know it hurts
And two more administrations than us, and we know that hurts you
administrations or silverware. ur call. we know the answer hurts. haha
Actally as I have told you time and time before, it is four trophies between us as the last one you don't own it belong's to all the tax payers in the land ha ha ha
either way it hurts, u know it 2. all u can say is: cheated. haha
I will be laughing even more when you have a new log-in "one-club-between-us
"

Saintsteve7 says...
2:31pm Sat 12 Jan 13

st bevois wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..



think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...



.period.
What you need to realise is that as a club we have never been known as a good passing side. It is something we have tried to implement since NA arrived and it takes time. Time that I'm willing to give NA or whoever is in charge. Passing the ball around is the easy bit it's passing the ball around quickly that takes time. Barcelona didn't develope their style in 2/3 seasons it's it took 10+.

Would we really like to go back to the Strachan/Pardew days? Although both managers took us to cup finals, let's be honest neither manager was too fussed about playing nice football. Under both managers we played a lot of long ball football and I applaud the club for wanting to change direction.

I think we'll need to be patient, I believe we will get there!
Eh!!?? You obviously never had the pleasure of watching Golac, Ball, Williams and Channon tearing teams to bits with some of the finest one touch football I have ever seen (what we always do seem to have over the years is a leaky defence). Lawrie always bought in footballers as well as those who can "mix" it. Chris Nichol was reviled for the Mark Dennis episode but he put together one of the most exciting young teams with an old head in Jimmy Case spraying the passes around. Branfoot got it wrong and bought the wrong players in. Other managers - Hoddle, Souness etc even for short periods played to our "ethos" as much as possible. The reason Beattie scored goals under WGS is because we moved balls down the flanks and put crosses in - not all long ball. As David Armstrong used to say in his commentary, that was a major key to success ie get past and behind the defence to the bye-line. Even the niave and failed experiment of Lowe's under Jan P was at least based on a football ethos with our young kids bullied out of it the Championship. We have always been the West Ham of the South and I would rather be us than them right now. The key is balance and not having the goalie pass the ball out to a full-back with two players closing him down. Its not always the goalie's fault - its been drummed into him during training all week to play like that. Whilst it may be laudable to play like that, NA has to realise that this is not the Championship where we used to dominate for the most part (should he not know that?) and outpass teams to death. Funny really - even Chelsea came unstuck like that in mid-week - perhaps they caught our defensive lurgy last week. As Warren has said and others - there is a time to move it fast - to gain an advantage or territory and there is a time to hold the ball and play it around. There have been bad times, but more often than not over the years we have played passing football - its what the fans want to see and we have always made that clear to the club. I look forward to a repeat of the previous Villa second half today - we really should go for the "throat" from the off, especially after their midweek result. Please NA do not be negative - press, dominate, out-pass them, an early goal hopefully and knock the stuffing out of them!!! Unfortunately - despite the recent improvement and with Fonte out I don't feel like our defence and team can do what Norwich and Sunderland did to us and what QPR and Swansea did to Chelsea ie dig in and hold out and sneak one. We really shouldn't be thinking like that COYR!!!!
Lol. Sorry mate I don't go back that far! I watched my first game as a 9 year old at White Hart Lane back in '91 I think it was and then had the pleasure of mostly very ordinary football up until now. You are right at times under certain managers (Souness) we have played some decent football but it's never lasted! I'd like it to become the 'Southampton way' and any new manager has to stick with it.
Like I said passing the ball about is the easy bit. Moving it quickly and being effective takes time!

mack chinnon says...
2:33pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Pedant time: "It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played."

1. Did he really use HAVE four times (plus HAD) in one sentence?
2. However, the error which the Echo has made is LIKE. It should be LIKED.

Anyway, I think fans should give him (Lee and Mayuka) more time. New players don't always settle in straight away. It took Keegan an age to score his first goal.

In short, I have faith that Jay has the talent to have a fantastic future once he has settled into the life he has chosen playing for the best team ever to have graced the Premier League. He has my full support and I have a feeling that by 5pm he will have bagged another goal or two.
Spot on Stras - you will definately not go down to posterity writing bad grammar.

I try not ever to split infinitives because the less times I do it the more affect my postings have. To be more or less specific, I would of thought most people on here really should have went to a better school.

Some will find this a mute point, hardly awaited with bated breath, but for me and you it's an issue to be very concerned with.

As for Jay - time will prove he's not second to nobody.
Just got back online, Confucious.

Your right. You obviously speak very well English - just as I would of faught :)

Allez Le Machine Rouge et Blanc!!!
mange tout

Skating on thin ice says...
2:42pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Another good point for Arry's team!! - not long before they overtake you in the league table now.

Strasbourg Saint says...
2:57pm Sat 12 Jan 13

mack chinnon wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Pedant time: "It has been a little bit frustrating as I’ve not had as many games as I would have like to have played."

1. Did he really use HAVE four times (plus HAD) in one sentence?
2. However, the error which the Echo has made is LIKE. It should be LIKED.

Anyway, I think fans should give him (Lee and Mayuka) more time. New players don't always settle in straight away. It took Keegan an age to score his first goal.

In short, I have faith that Jay has the talent to have a fantastic future once he has settled into the life he has chosen playing for the best team ever to have graced the Premier League. He has my full support and I have a feeling that by 5pm he will have bagged another goal or two.
Spot on Stras - you will definately not go down to posterity writing bad grammar.

I try not ever to split infinitives because the less times I do it the more affect my postings have. To be more or less specific, I would of thought most people on here really should have went to a better school.

Some will find this a mute point, hardly awaited with bated breath, but for me and you it's an issue to be very concerned with.

As for Jay - time will prove he's not second to nobody.
Just got back online, Confucious.

Your right. You obviously speak very well English - just as I would of faught :)

Allez Le Machine Rouge et Blanc!!!
mange tout
How's St Denys today, Mack? Beers got to be better than here, I guess.

SFC1976 says...
2:57pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Another good point for Arry's team!! - not long before they overtake you in the league table now.
I see the 30 year old virgin is back run home little boy you know Mummy dosent like you being on the internet. Youve been in trouble with the Police before stay off those Web sites you know its against the law. Dirty Skate

SFC1976 says...
3:00pm Sat 12 Jan 13

COYR 3 points today

st bevois says...
3:10pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Saintsteve7 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..




think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...




.period.
What you need to realise is that as a club we have never been known as a good passing side. It is something we have tried to implement since NA arrived and it takes time. Time that I'm willing to give NA or whoever is in charge. Passing the ball around is the easy bit it's passing the ball around quickly that takes time. Barcelona didn't develope their style in 2/3 seasons it's it took 10+.

Would we really like to go back to the Strachan/Pardew days? Although both managers took us to cup finals, let's be honest neither manager was too fussed about playing nice football. Under both managers we played a lot of long ball football and I applaud the club for wanting to change direction.

I think we'll need to be patient, I believe we will get there!
Eh!!?? You obviously never had the pleasure of watching Golac, Ball, Williams and Channon tearing teams to bits with some of the finest one touch football I have ever seen (what we always do seem to have over the years is a leaky defence). Lawrie always bought in footballers as well as those who can "mix" it. Chris Nichol was reviled for the Mark Dennis episode but he put together one of the most exciting young teams with an old head in Jimmy Case spraying the passes around. Branfoot got it wrong and bought the wrong players in. Other managers - Hoddle, Souness etc even for short periods played to our "ethos" as much as possible. The reason Beattie scored goals under WGS is because we moved balls down the flanks and put crosses in - not all long ball. As David Armstrong used to say in his commentary, that was a major key to success ie get past and behind the defence to the bye-line. Even the niave and failed experiment of Lowe's under Jan P was at least based on a football ethos with our young kids bullied out of it the Championship. We have always been the West Ham of the South and I would rather be us than them right now. The key is balance and not having the goalie pass the ball out to a full-back with two players closing him down. Its not always the goalie's fault - its been drummed into him during training all week to play like that. Whilst it may be laudable to play like that, NA has to realise that this is not the Championship where we used to dominate for the most part (should he not know that?) and outpass teams to death. Funny really - even Chelsea came unstuck like that in mid-week - perhaps they caught our defensive lurgy last week. As Warren has said and others - there is a time to move it fast - to gain an advantage or territory and there is a time to hold the ball and play it around. There have been bad times, but more often than not over the years we have played passing football - its what the fans want to see and we have always made that clear to the club. I look forward to a repeat of the previous Villa second half today - we really should go for the "throat" from the off, especially after their midweek result. Please NA do not be negative - press, dominate, out-pass them, an early goal hopefully and knock the stuffing out of them!!! Unfortunately - despite the recent improvement and with Fonte out I don't feel like our defence and team can do what Norwich and Sunderland did to us and what QPR and Swansea did to Chelsea ie dig in and hold out and sneak one. We really shouldn't be thinking like that COYR!!!!
Lol. Sorry mate I don't go back that far! I watched my first game as a 9 year old at White Hart Lane back in '91 I think it was and then had the pleasure of mostly very ordinary football up until now. You are right at times under certain managers (Souness) we have played some decent football but it's never lasted! I'd like it to become the 'Southampton way' and any new manager has to stick with it.
Like I said passing the ball about is the easy bit. Moving it quickly and being effective takes time!
Fair enough - let's hope we have another golden period like that for all old and new to enjoy and support. Here's hoping today!!

Saintsteve7 says...
3:38pm Sat 12 Jan 13

st bevois wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
st bevois wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
If we play Rodriguez we have to let him run at defenses. The slow passing game won't play to his attributes. Anyway, with or without him we need to speed things up. This season the team's best performances have come when we play direct football, so let's be more positive in our play. COYR!
Been agreeing with you for weeks we move the ball to slow..give the opposition far to long to cover our attacking options.

England drive me mad.stop...control..





think..pass we are doing the same far to often...

should be..Think....pass...





.period.
What you need to realise is that as a club we have never been known as a good passing side. It is something we have tried to implement since NA arrived and it takes time. Time that I'm willing to give NA or whoever is in charge. Passing the ball around is the easy bit it's passing the ball around quickly that takes time. Barcelona didn't develope their style in 2/3 seasons it's it took 10+.

Would we really like to go back to the Strachan/Pardew days? Although both managers took us to cup finals, let's be honest neither manager was too fussed about playing nice football. Under both managers we played a lot of long ball football and I applaud the club for wanting to change direction.

I think we'll need to be patient, I believe we will get there!
Eh!!?? You obviously never had the pleasure of watching Golac, Ball, Williams and Channon tearing teams to bits with some of the finest one touch football I have ever seen (what we always do seem to have over the years is a leaky defence). Lawrie always bought in footballers as well as those who can "mix" it. Chris Nichol was reviled for the Mark Dennis episode but he put together one of the most exciting young teams with an old head in Jimmy Case spraying the passes around. Branfoot got it wrong and bought the wrong players in. Other managers - Hoddle, Souness etc even for short periods played to our "ethos" as much as possible. The reason Beattie scored goals under WGS is because we moved balls down the flanks and put crosses in - not all long ball. As David Armstrong used to say in his commentary, that was a major key to success ie get past and behind the defence to the bye-line. Even the niave and failed experiment of Lowe's under Jan P was at least based on a football ethos with our young kids bullied out of it the Championship. We have always been the West Ham of the South and I would rather be us than them right now. The key is balance and not having the goalie pass the ball out to a full-back with two players closing him down. Its not always the goalie's fault - its been drummed into him during training all week to play like that. Whilst it may be laudable to play like that, NA has to realise that this is not the Championship where we used to dominate for the most part (should he not know that?) and outpass teams to death. Funny really - even Chelsea came unstuck like that in mid-week - perhaps they caught our defensive lurgy last week. As Warren has said and others - there is a time to move it fast - to gain an advantage or territory and there is a time to hold the ball and play it around. There have been bad times, but more often than not over the years we have played passing football - its what the fans want to see and we have always made that clear to the club. I look forward to a repeat of the previous Villa second half today - we really should go for the "throat" from the off, especially after their midweek result. Please NA do not be negative - press, dominate, out-pass them, an early goal hopefully and knock the stuffing out of them!!! Unfortunately - despite the recent improvement and with Fonte out I don't feel like our defence and team can do what Norwich and Sunderland did to us and what QPR and Swansea did to Chelsea ie dig in and hold out and sneak one. We really shouldn't be thinking like that COYR!!!!
Lol. Sorry mate I don't go back that far! I watched my first game as a 9 year old at White Hart Lane back in '91 I think it was and then had the pleasure of mostly very ordinary football up until now. You are right at times under certain managers (Souness) we have played some decent football but it's never lasted! I'd like it to become the 'Southampton way' and any new manager has to stick with it.
Like I said passing the ball about is the easy bit. Moving it quickly and being effective takes time!
Fair enough - let's hope we have another golden period like that for all old and new to enjoy and support. Here's hoping today!!
I'll drink to that! Coyr

OSPREYSAINT says...
9:00pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Another good point for Arry's team!! - not long before they overtake you in the league table now.
Words - Eat - taste - bad?

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